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yeah

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welcome back to calling all beings baby

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and guess what it's not normal tonight

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baby is it Nathan no it's uh what's the

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word I'm looking for it's uh okay yeah

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I lost we lost your mic we lost

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acting paranormal yeah yeah the intro is

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so amazing it just like you know it went

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that's still gone DJ yeah still gone

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it's still gone he needs a medium

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he does like a like I wonder if there's

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a uh like a paranormal uh Tech help you

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know like somebody you can call on the

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other side to help you with your gadgets

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and stuff that would be pretty cool I

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bet

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no we still can't hear you uh so maybe

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uh maybe just reset you know do the

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whole reset come back in and and we'll

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um excellent all right so everybody we

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got an awesome show for you tonight uh

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we are very excited to welcome back uh

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or to welcome the first time Nicole

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Strickland to our show as we've talked

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about before this is going to be the

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second time that we've done uh a

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paranormal show and the first time was

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almost I think of like the second

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episode of Cavs so a very long time ago

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so we've been doing the UFO thing we've

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been now been looking at Bigfoot stuff

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and we want to dive more deeply into the

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Paranormal aspects of what we would

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colloquy colloquially call the parent

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the phenomenon and so we thought no

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better way to do that and then to bring

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Nicole Strickland who is a researcher

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investigator writer podcaster I mean she

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does it all uh she's also herself had a

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ton of paranormal experience since she

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was very young and so she's going to

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come on tonight to educate us and so

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with that welcome to the show Nicole

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Strickland hi guys thank you so much for

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having me it's an honor to be on your

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show great to have you with us man we're

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very excited about it so um I was

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listening to

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um one of your episodes recently

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um where you were kind of talking a

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little bit about how you got into the

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Paranormal and it sounded like it

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started just almost from the moment that

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you came onto the scene right into this

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world so if you could maybe just like

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set the stage for our audience you know

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tell us a little bit about your

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backstory and and what you're doing now

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sure so you know it's funny when I talk

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to people about this I always say you

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know never ever growing up as a child

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teenager in college never did I imagine

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that I would be as an adult researching

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and investigating the Paranormal it just

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kind of evolved I guess as it was

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supposed to so you know you always hear

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people ask that question usually what

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got you in the field so for me I've

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always had that that interest in

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anomalous phenomena even since I was

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really young I even had experiences as

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far back as I can remember about four or

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five years old so I was born in

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Huntington Beach California and then my

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mom and dad and I moved to Las Vegas and

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so it was our house in Las Vegas where I

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had some weird experiences you know

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seeing shadow figures and and some

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apparitions things of that nature in our

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home and so I just always had this

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interest in and specifically ghosts and

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hauntings and and the after life and so

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that stayed with me so I would read

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pretty much anything I could on it

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articles books you know back then there

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wasn't the internet and all of that so

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then uh fast forwarding to and I'm

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trying to shorten this because I could

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go on forever uh going uh fast

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forwarding to the University of Arizona

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that's where I went to undergraduate

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college my maternal grandmother Helen

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lopinto her and I were extremely close

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and so I'm going to try to shorten this

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a little bit uh so she called me the

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night before she actually transitioned

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and so just being grandmotherly I guess

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she wanted to know if I was okay and I

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thought that was weird now I kind of

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think maybe she suspected that maybe she

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was going to pass on and maybe she was

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making the rounds just to make sure that

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her family was okay I mean I don't know

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that's what I think so I was talking

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with her on the phone and then about

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after about 10 minutes got off the phone

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fast forward to the next day my mom her

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daughter of course called me in the

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afternoon and I could tell right away by

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her voice that something wasn't right

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and then of course she said you know I

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love you so much but uh Grandma passed

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away in the early morning and so of

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course I was devastated and I just got

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on the next plane out of Tucson Arizona

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back to San Diego where I'm from and

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then spent some time with the family

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Helen never wanted a funeral so we just

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had a very private viewing with her so I

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spent a few days and then after that

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came back out to Tucson Arizona where

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the U of A is and I started having weird

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experiences in my apartment that I I did

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not experience prior to her passing but

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being that it was in an apartment

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setting of course my logical mind kicked

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in and tried to you know explain it away

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okay is it vibration and you know are my

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windows open things of that nature but I

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could not come to a conclusion as to

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what was going on so I started

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experiencing especially my front door

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knob and then my bedroom door knob it

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would rattle as if someone was trying to

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open it now weirdly My grandmother used

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to go around at night in her house and

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she would check the doorknobs so I kind

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of made that connection but not I didn't

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at that point think it was really her so

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this went on for a couple of nights and

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then one evening I was actually sitting

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on my bed doing school work and I felt I

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didn't see anything but I felt what what

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I what I felt is almost like a

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disembodied hand kind of like

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like touching my face and I again I

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couldn't see anything but it felt

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comforting it felt peaceful so that's

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when I started to make the connection of

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okay could could Helen be communicating

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from Beyond but I also thought too here

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I am grieving my grandmother's death I

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mean am I projecting this am I

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psychogenically projecting this because

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of my grief I know I didn't know so then

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a couple of nights later I saw her

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full-bodied Apparition appear in my room

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uh just it almost looked like she had a

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spotlight behind her and she looked

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about 10 years younger and one of her

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favorite dresses and she just stood

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there and it was in color and it was

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just very very Vivid for me again though

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that that was that culminated into that

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and it was very very profound for me but

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again I was like oh my gosh is this

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actually a visitation from her or am I

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actually projecting this so I you know I

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called my mom and talked with her and we

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let Helen know that she's free to move

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on on and you know she doesn't need to

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be worried about the family or anything

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and then after that the experience has

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stopped but that even though I had an

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interest you know going back many years

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that one encounter actually propelled me

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into investigating the Paranormal and

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the unknown so I started shortly after

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that and this was 2001. so I just

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started working with different Southern

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California teams and then that led into

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uh forming the San Diego paranormal

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research Society in in 2009 actually I

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mean it was October of 2009 so and since

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then I mean I've I've gotten the

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opportunity to to meet so many amazing

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people in the field not just ghosts and

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hauntings and the afterlife but people

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involved in you know ufologists and

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cryptozoologists and all of that psychic

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mediums you name it and just everything

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kind of fell in place after that you

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know and then I started writing books

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and you know podcasting so here we are

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amazing I love it I love it and uh the

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you know for folks that may

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I mean we've all I think had exposure to

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Paranormal kinds of uh you know shows

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like in a popularized sort of sense you

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know what's something about the

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Paranormal that you think that sometimes

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most people get wrong you know the in

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how it's popularized in in kind of media

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and things like that yeah this is a it's

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kind of a I guess a contentious subject

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but for you know and I that's fine I

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talk about it for me I'm I'm a little

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frustrated at uh pop culture uh

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television what what have you almost

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portraying the Paranormal Spirits ghosts

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even other beings too as something that

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we always have to fear something that

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you know it's just oh my gosh all of

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this it's you have to fear it it's

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completely evil so that's that's

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something that I I don't like at all uh

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and another thing too is the tendency to

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sometimes over classify certain energies

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so they're put in a box and there's this

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four corner box and we don't really know

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everything about all of this so over

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classifying based on certain types of

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behaviors and things of that nature so

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that's great yeah and I know what you

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mean I mean if we and I think I heard

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you talk about this too that there's

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often um that like the high

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entertainment value of the Paranormal uh

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that would that they're kind of going

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for the thrills or sensationalization

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and in a way kind of losing what what I

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get from you is this really meaningful

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human element to it yes exactly you said

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it better than me absolutely and there

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is nothing wrong with entertainment and

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things of that nature but I think

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there's missed opportunities uh not to

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say that you know shows shouldn't or

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anything in the media shouldn't be

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entertaining no but there should be a

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little bit more of an informative type

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of educational element so you can bring

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in that the human component

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awesome DJ I think your sound is working

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well is that right

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yes sir I think that I think that Mike

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got scared and went to mute on its own

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because when I pushed either that or

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someone that's let me just say this

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associated with Nicole made my mic go to

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mute

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I did it it's my fault see what I do see

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the problems that cause you know I love

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it we this you know it's like uh it's

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like that Senator said about the what

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happened on the Edmund Pettus bridge in

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Alabama he said this is good trouble get

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in good trouble you good trouble Nicole

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um I will say it's not the first time

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that I've been around electronics and

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they just kind of you know run off and

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do whatever they want so I don't know

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um what I wanted to ask you

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um for our audience's purposes because

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we have listened to some of your content

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and I got the answer to this question

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although I have added on to it since I

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wrote the question but could you explain

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to our audience uh some of which is like

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ufo-based people that may not know you

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know very much about paranormal as I

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don't

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um what is the difference between a

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ghost a spirit and then we'll extend

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that out to demon oh my gosh yeah now

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and again this is just

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opinion here based on talking with

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others

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might based on my own experience and you

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know reading about it all so so and it's

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weird because I'm even guilty of this

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using the word ghost and spirit

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interchangeably technically there is a

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difference let me preface this by saying

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that we still don't have a hundred

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percent definition exactly what a ghost

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or an Earthbound is in exactly what a

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spirit is we think we do you know it's

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theoretical but again we don't have that

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100 definition so a ghost or an

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Earthbound most people like to use the

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word Earthbound are energies of of those

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human or animal that maybe have passed

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on but yet haven't evolved necessarily

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through the ranks of spirithoods they

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haven't

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gone up into the higher levels of of

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being spirit so there for whatever

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reason there's different theories

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they're stuck here either by choice or

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uh maybe they especially in the case of

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like tragic deaths or for example

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suicides maybe there's that state of

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limbo and I know that's kind of a

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Catholic term there but a state of limbo

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where they're not sure whether or not

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maybe they passed on it could also be

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maybe they like I said by choice maybe

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there's uh they're they're pulled by

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grieving family members they want to

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stay by the family maybe there's a an

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object or maybe they're they're wanting

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to stay with their home for example so

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there's all kinds of different reasons

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as to why potentially uh the energy of

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someone wants to remain as an Earthbound

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now a spirit and again earthbounds and

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Spirits can communicate with us in

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similar ways and we can see them in

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similar ways but a spirit is someone

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that almost has has that Free Will isn't

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Bound By The Mortal plane so to speak

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and so they can travel to the higher

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levels of spirithood and back should

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they want to so just to hire I think a

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higher level of Consciousness a higher

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level of intelligence even too for

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certain Spirits now demons and that this

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isn't my specialty but I and again some

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people may disagree with me I I feel

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that demons represent non-human energies

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that

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or cause will or potentially possess uh

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you know living living beings so I think

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that um there's you know much of a

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difference there but you know in the

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Paranormal and this is some people may

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completely disagree and that's fine uh

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you know everyone should have the

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freedom to express their opinions and

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all of that and be respectful and

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open-minded to others opinions that's

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that's my belief in this field I I do

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think that

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again going back to that the uh pop

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culture Hollywood uh media I think it

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over emphasizes demonic energy and makes

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it sound that gives off the impression

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that maybe the ghost of Grandma you know

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the Earthbound of grandma or grandpa or

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maybe someone's brother that's coming is

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oh it's a demon everything has to be a

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demon everything has to be so scary and

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all of that I mean we know that this is

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common sense right so I see that a lot

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and that kind of makes me sad I get a

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little sad when I hear it but you know I

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don't I think so I I really feel that

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some people or a lot of people are

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starting to see through it now I don't

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know how you guys feel about that or you

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know what if you have any input too on

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on thoughts about demonic activity

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I think this one is really deep so I

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think we're going to be able to go a

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couple rounds on this Debs go ahead my

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friend

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yep so um I have a lot of questions of

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course because I actually

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um used to study ghost quite a bit and

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that was my advice

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um but but I I've gotten to this point

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with um studying UFOs that brings me

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back to you know the study of ghosts and

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spirits and the afterlife

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um over and over again it seems to be

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that there's a correlation and you've

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kind of touched on this a little but I

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thought maybe you could expound on how

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your view of death has changed since

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you've been studying this

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excellent excellent uh I and it's

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interesting you asked me that question I

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have an upcoming book coming out uh

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probably end of this Mar end of this

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March of course of course it's March end

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of this month uh probably maybe more

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like the first week of April I'm

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slightly behind but that's called the

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afterlife Chronicles exploring the

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connection between life death and beyond

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and in the last chapter I kind of

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elaborate or basically elaborate on what

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what you ask about how moving through

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the stages of grief and loss can really

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help you further connect with the energy

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of your departed loved one whether it's

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a human energy or an animal energy so

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having this experience in the Paranormal

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and and knowing that when someone I love

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passes on and moves on that that's that

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they're not forgotten that the energy

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the essence of them their soul for

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example lives on

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and can still communicate there's still

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that you know the Love Never Dies so

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death can come knocking out the door but

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it cannot you know disrupt the the bomb

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that we in the Bonsai we have with our

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uh family and loved ones and animals so

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there's that knowledge of that and it

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almost eases I I know that at the time

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when for example my mom and dad pass

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yes I'm going to be grieving it's going

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to be sad because I don't have them

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physically here with me but yet their

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energy their Essence what makes them

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them that Still Remains even though I

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can't necessarily see them or hear them

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I'm gonna tell you what man there's so

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many places uh to go and and uh I feel

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like there's still a lot of meat on the

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bone with with uh when you said about uh

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that there is another

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um that the demon is perhaps a non-human

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intelligence but uh Nathan let me pass

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it to you sir

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yeah I definitely want to come back on

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that and and before we come back to that

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I um I wanted to expand a little bit on

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this what we just talked about there

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um one of the researchers in the UFO

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field that's really big in our circles

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is a Woman by the name of Leslie Kane

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and you may be familiar with her she

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wrote a book called surviving death and

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there was a Netflix series about it and

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you know one of the things that is a

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recurring theme that at least I I picked

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up on is that folks that are uh really

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interested in the Paranormal uh you know

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tend to be uh like highly empathic and

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caring kinds of people because what I

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get from from from listening to what you

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just said and and from these other kind

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of anecdotes is

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there's this intense kind of human

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healing that needs to happen yes and and

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so much of the energy that is left is

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like this as you pointed out that

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there's kind of an attachment or like a

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residue in a way

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um that is that is present in these

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paranormal experiences is is you know

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like looking for permission to be let go

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uh or or or to uh you know kind of make

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them feel at ease and and this seems to

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go back a very long time in human

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history so I wonder if you could talk to

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that the kind of the the caretaking

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elements of paranormal work

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wow this is a very deep thought out uh

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question I appreciate it because I often

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think that uh in many ways and on people

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may unwillingly be doing this and maybe

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some uh don't really care you know

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there's the a difference between uh and

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I'm going to get to that but there's a

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difference between someone who is

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Desiring to be in this field just

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because they want to throw seek and they

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want to emulate what they're seeing in

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horror movies and all of that versus

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someone who really wants to get into the

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nuts and bolts of what goes on in

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paranormal investigation and research

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and are really wanting to establish an a

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rapport with the energies that we come

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across whether it's a historical case or

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private residence or a business for

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example

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so uh this is I think where where the

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whole respect and reverence of of

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energies comes and this goes this

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expands to all beings uh not just you

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know ghosts and spirits and I think if

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you have that that connection or that

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that it's it's all about intention I'm

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kind of going off in all kinds of

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different places because my brain's like

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oh I'm not gonna say this see this that

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oh God I hate when this happened not at

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all in fact I think we're vibing with

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um yeah so you know it's all about

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intention too so you have to kind of

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establish okay your what is your

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intention for being in this field why

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are you in it do you want to just thrill

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seek or do you want to actually make a

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really established rapport with certain

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energies or beings that you uh come

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across in your investigations or just in

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in everyday life so there's that they're

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going back to that human element I think

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uh

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for those people that are that are

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empathic

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uh I would say most of those people do

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have that pure intent to want to do good

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and to want to uh kind of connect both

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Realms when I say both I'm talking about

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you know Earthly the Earthly plane in

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the afterlife but even other dimensions

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I often feel that maybe there's a Nexus

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between all these different dimensions

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and there's some sort of connection

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there I don't know what it is but that's

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just something that I that I often

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um think about so so P you can kind of

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tell and I'm going everywhere here I

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know that uh I you can kind of tell when

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when someone

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is really devoted and dedicated from a

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from a genuine point of view in this

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field versus someone that just is in it

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for other more superficial types of

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reasons

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so uh yeah so I kind of went all over

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there I'm sorry I'm gonna tell you

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something it's all Nathan can keep from

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doing to stand up and say amen sister

533
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right now that's what he's wanting to

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say after what you just said so good and

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and you know it made me re the way

536
00:23:02,450 --> 00:23:00,419
you've talked about it is really

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reframing the way that I think about it

538
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because so often we think about the

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relationship of the The Departed to the

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living

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um and how they're infecting affecting

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us and and really what you're speaking

543
00:23:19,549 --> 00:23:16,140
to here is that the living are giving

544
00:23:21,350 --> 00:23:19,559
something to The Dead We are helping

545
00:23:23,029 --> 00:23:21,360
them the approach yes yes I actually

546
00:23:25,130 --> 00:23:23,039
think there's and that's interesting you

547
00:23:28,010 --> 00:23:25,140
bring that up because that is almost if

548
00:23:30,470 --> 00:23:28,020
there's one takeaway point in my

549
00:23:34,190 --> 00:23:30,480
upcoming book on the afterlife is that

550
00:23:35,149 --> 00:23:34,200
that both worlds are connecting with

551
00:23:37,430 --> 00:23:35,159
each other

552
00:23:38,149 --> 00:23:37,440
and they're also Desiring to help each

553
00:23:40,610 --> 00:23:38,159
other

554
00:23:43,669 --> 00:23:40,620
and kind of fuse together oops excuse me

555
00:23:45,470 --> 00:23:43,679
so I we're seeing that more and more and

556
00:23:48,049 --> 00:23:45,480
I I can't explain the reasons why

557
00:23:50,810 --> 00:23:48,059
necessarily I mean one is well look at

558
00:23:53,390 --> 00:23:50,820
the world now there's so much heartache

559
00:23:55,370 --> 00:23:53,400
and and Challenge and people are hurting

560
00:23:58,130 --> 00:23:55,380
each other it's insane out there

561
00:24:00,049 --> 00:23:58,140
so maybe that's one of the motives that

562
00:24:02,810 --> 00:24:00,059
you know maybe for example the afterlife

563
00:24:04,250 --> 00:24:02,820
and even other dimensions uh are you

564
00:24:06,529 --> 00:24:04,260
know maybe that's the main motive there

565
00:24:09,830 --> 00:24:06,539
for wanting to to communicate with us

566
00:24:12,710 --> 00:24:09,840
more I don't know but uh there's

567
00:24:14,870 --> 00:24:12,720
definitely this uh parallel I call I

568
00:24:18,169 --> 00:24:14,880
call it like a parallel connection

569
00:24:20,450 --> 00:24:18,179
between the living realm and other

570
00:24:22,490 --> 00:24:20,460
Realms so

571
00:24:25,190 --> 00:24:22,500
yeah

572
00:24:28,190 --> 00:24:25,200
um it's it's so fun I had a question

573
00:24:30,409 --> 00:24:28,200
with it driving home today for all three

574
00:24:32,149 --> 00:24:30,419
of or yeah all three of you four yeah

575
00:24:35,890 --> 00:24:32,159
three of you because I'm me so there

576
00:24:39,110 --> 00:24:35,900
there's a total of of four of us

577
00:24:41,570 --> 00:24:39,120
and I can't I can't remember what it is

578
00:24:44,630 --> 00:24:41,580
so this kind of tells you uh podcasters

579
00:24:46,970 --> 00:24:44,640
out there stop the car get out your your

580
00:24:48,350 --> 00:24:46,980
uh virtual notepad and write down that

581
00:24:50,210 --> 00:24:48,360
question because it was something that I

582
00:24:51,830 --> 00:24:50,220
wanted to pass through all three of you

583
00:24:52,850 --> 00:24:51,840
guys but it may come to me during the

584
00:24:54,710 --> 00:24:52,860
discussion

585
00:24:56,810 --> 00:24:54,720
it's and what's interesting here

586
00:25:00,110 --> 00:24:56,820
Nicole's we had a guy on a couple of

587
00:25:03,529 --> 00:25:00,120
weeks ago a Bigfoot researcher named

588
00:25:05,270 --> 00:25:03,539
Terry Windell and his uh his website is

589
00:25:08,510 --> 00:25:05,280
called Rock Hill Bigfoot in South

590
00:25:12,289 --> 00:25:08,520
Carolina and on the logo it says respect

591
00:25:14,510 --> 00:25:12,299
between us oh see that I love that I

592
00:25:16,669 --> 00:25:14,520
knew see I knew and and it just you know

593
00:25:18,890 --> 00:25:16,679
what you said and also I heard your

594
00:25:20,870 --> 00:25:18,900
partners his name Todd your partner Todd

595
00:25:22,610 --> 00:25:20,880
Bates yeah well we we actually I've

596
00:25:25,010 --> 00:25:22,620
known him for years we co-host haunted

597
00:25:27,830 --> 00:25:25,020
voices together haunted voice is right

598
00:25:31,130 --> 00:25:27,840
and it's on radio in um

599
00:25:34,190 --> 00:25:31,140
in San Diego yeah it's at well it's his

600
00:25:36,230 --> 00:25:34,200
station and it's uh it broadcasts from

601
00:25:38,810 --> 00:25:36,240
um Robinson Illinois

602
00:25:40,669 --> 00:25:38,820
oh does it okay yeah okay yeah there's

603
00:25:43,730 --> 00:25:40,679
just there's oh gosh I think he has

604
00:25:45,409 --> 00:25:43,740
about like like 18 or 19 hosts now but

605
00:25:47,570 --> 00:25:45,419
some of us are on the west coast we're

606
00:25:49,190 --> 00:25:47,580
we're kind of all scattered but it

607
00:25:51,529 --> 00:25:49,200
brought I mean it's his station he lives

608
00:25:54,350 --> 00:25:51,539
in Robinson Illinois so

609
00:25:56,450 --> 00:25:54,360
I loved you know like he basically said

610
00:25:59,149 --> 00:25:56,460
you know don't like go out into the

611
00:26:01,430 --> 00:25:59,159
field and be like you know demand that a

612
00:26:03,230 --> 00:26:01,440
spirit appear for you exactly as his

613
00:26:04,850 --> 00:26:03,240
guests are the same thing it's it's a

614
00:26:07,190 --> 00:26:04,860
respect thing you respect them they

615
00:26:09,470 --> 00:26:07,200
respect you the guest said that Todd

616
00:26:11,930 --> 00:26:09,480
said that and and that really resonated

617
00:26:14,269 --> 00:26:11,940
with me and and I'm sure that's part of

618
00:26:16,370 --> 00:26:14,279
your approach would you like talk real

619
00:26:20,769 --> 00:26:16,380
quickly about your approach when you

620
00:26:24,049 --> 00:26:20,779
arrive on scene absolutely so yes so so

621
00:26:25,610 --> 00:26:24,059
uh pretty much if it's a scene of a

622
00:26:28,370 --> 00:26:25,620
place that I've investigated numerous

623
00:26:30,830 --> 00:26:28,380
times or a site that I've never

624
00:26:34,549 --> 00:26:30,840
investigated maybe I know about it maybe

625
00:26:36,409 --> 00:26:34,559
I don't of course uh prior to that I

626
00:26:38,990 --> 00:26:36,419
would have uh you know researched the

627
00:26:41,450 --> 00:26:39,000
property and things of that nature uh

628
00:26:43,250 --> 00:26:41,460
probably done at some point some uh

629
00:26:46,130 --> 00:26:43,260
client interviews and and all of that so

630
00:26:48,350 --> 00:26:46,140
I would have started my my

631
00:26:51,590 --> 00:26:48,360
um supplemental research of the property

632
00:26:55,010 --> 00:26:51,600
but when I actually go on the property

633
00:26:57,830 --> 00:26:55,020
there's a whole I believe when if people

634
00:26:59,570 --> 00:26:57,840
go on to a property and they just start

635
00:27:01,430 --> 00:26:59,580
investigating without any sort of

636
00:27:02,510 --> 00:27:01,440
introduction I'm sorry I don't mean a

637
00:27:05,269 --> 00:27:02,520
Critic I'm not trying to criticize

638
00:27:07,610 --> 00:27:05,279
That's Not My Method I want to set the

639
00:27:09,950 --> 00:27:07,620
tone and you know there is something

640
00:27:11,269 --> 00:27:09,960
there's a difference between

641
00:27:12,649 --> 00:27:11,279
um I'm just going to say this and I'll

642
00:27:14,810 --> 00:27:12,659
and I'll get to that there's a

643
00:27:17,570 --> 00:27:14,820
difference between a residual type of

644
00:27:19,250 --> 00:27:17,580
phenomenon versus an intelligence so

645
00:27:21,470 --> 00:27:19,260
residual is something like a psychic

646
00:27:24,769 --> 00:27:21,480
imprint it's a Memory imprint on the

647
00:27:28,370 --> 00:27:24,779
environment that doesn't have any sort

648
00:27:30,169 --> 00:27:28,380
of intelligent or conscious thoughts of

649
00:27:33,169 --> 00:27:30,179
the present so it's not like you and I

650
00:27:35,930 --> 00:27:33,179
interacting right now it's just a memory

651
00:27:37,490 --> 00:27:35,940
imprint for example Gettysburg if you go

652
00:27:39,710 --> 00:27:37,500
on there and assuming they're not doing

653
00:27:41,990 --> 00:27:39,720
any reenactments that day and you hear a

654
00:27:43,730 --> 00:27:42,000
phantom Canon that would be an example

655
00:27:46,310 --> 00:27:43,740
of a residual phenomenon but for the

656
00:27:48,049 --> 00:27:46,320
intelligent sort of energies that are

657
00:27:49,850 --> 00:27:48,059
there and they are aware of their

658
00:27:52,850 --> 00:27:49,860
surroundings they're aware of us and

659
00:27:55,669 --> 00:27:52,860
they can communicate you yes there's a

660
00:27:58,610 --> 00:27:55,679
whole opening that we do we State our

661
00:28:01,789 --> 00:27:58,620
intent we State why we're there and

662
00:28:03,590 --> 00:28:01,799
something that we do uh as in addition

663
00:28:06,529 --> 00:28:03,600
to that for example before an EBP

664
00:28:09,049 --> 00:28:06,539
session or or Spirit Box session or an

665
00:28:12,470 --> 00:28:09,059
ITC sort of uh whether it's the Estes

666
00:28:14,690 --> 00:28:12,480
method or EVP session ITC session we

667
00:28:17,750 --> 00:28:14,700
will state you know introduce ourselves

668
00:28:19,970 --> 00:28:17,760
you know say you know we're of course

669
00:28:22,310 --> 00:28:19,980
State the location's name and the time

670
00:28:23,990 --> 00:28:22,320
and all of that but we will say you know

671
00:28:26,149 --> 00:28:24,000
we would love to talk with you you're

672
00:28:28,490 --> 00:28:26,159
not forced to talk with us but we would

673
00:28:31,250 --> 00:28:28,500
love to learn about you and and hear

674
00:28:34,130 --> 00:28:31,260
your story uh we're we're fascinated by

675
00:28:36,590 --> 00:28:34,140
this this location because of X Y and Z

676
00:28:38,390 --> 00:28:36,600
whatever that may be and we want to

677
00:28:41,870 --> 00:28:38,400
reassure you that we are here with

678
00:28:44,450 --> 00:28:41,880
respect we come as friends and don't

679
00:28:46,430 --> 00:28:44,460
feel obligated to talk with us and then

680
00:28:48,470 --> 00:28:46,440
we also say something like you know if

681
00:28:50,630 --> 00:28:48,480
if you are speaking to us or

682
00:28:52,610 --> 00:28:50,640
communicating with us and we can't hear

683
00:28:54,350 --> 00:28:52,620
you please don't think that we're

684
00:28:56,390 --> 00:28:54,360
ignoring you right now it's just because

685
00:28:58,630 --> 00:28:56,400
we can't sometimes hear you with our

686
00:29:01,310 --> 00:28:58,640
ears that's why we have all these

687
00:29:04,909 --> 00:29:01,320
devices or we might say gadgets or

688
00:29:06,169 --> 00:29:04,919
Contraptions or whatever uh but uh we

689
00:29:07,909 --> 00:29:06,179
also say you know if you'd like to

690
00:29:10,010 --> 00:29:07,919
telepathically communicate with us

691
00:29:12,649 --> 00:29:10,020
that's fine too so we make it a very

692
00:29:14,630 --> 00:29:12,659
welcoming sort of environment and of

693
00:29:16,370 --> 00:29:14,640
course there's a whole setup phase you

694
00:29:19,130 --> 00:29:16,380
know you want to you know establish your

695
00:29:20,750 --> 00:29:19,140
home base and uh set up certain types of

696
00:29:23,510 --> 00:29:20,760
equipment and all of that but once

697
00:29:26,029 --> 00:29:23,520
everyone is ready to go there's there's

698
00:29:28,130 --> 00:29:26,039
that state there's an opening uh there's

699
00:29:31,370 --> 00:29:28,140
a statement of intent and then there's

700
00:29:35,450 --> 00:29:31,380
grounding exercises it is of my belief

701
00:29:37,850 --> 00:29:35,460
that no one should uh necessarily well

702
00:29:38,930 --> 00:29:37,860
you could communicate with someone at

703
00:29:42,110 --> 00:29:38,940
your house but if you're on an

704
00:29:44,149 --> 00:29:42,120
investigation and you're not in the

705
00:29:48,409 --> 00:29:44,159
frame of mind maybe you're not feeling

706
00:29:49,730 --> 00:29:48,419
well whatever that's probably not a good

707
00:29:52,130 --> 00:29:49,740
time for you to be conducting that

708
00:29:55,909 --> 00:29:52,140
investigation so there needs to be a

709
00:29:59,870 --> 00:29:55,919
sense of grounding a sense of emotional

710
00:30:03,049 --> 00:29:59,880
spiritual and physical grounding so

711
00:30:08,470 --> 00:30:03,059
you're you're just at your A game before

712
00:30:13,310 --> 00:30:11,750
no I I love that uh I love that I mean I

713
00:30:15,409 --> 00:30:13,320
do it differently I usually will go to

714
00:30:17,810 --> 00:30:15,419
the woods I'll get in my bare feet and

715
00:30:19,430 --> 00:30:17,820
I'll say Bigfoot if you come out and

716
00:30:24,590 --> 00:30:19,440
come see me I'm gonna give you a better

717
00:30:29,810 --> 00:30:27,889
but that's creativity though I'm just

718
00:30:31,850 --> 00:30:29,820
kidding I don't I do I do actually do

719
00:30:34,190 --> 00:30:31,860
the exact same thing you do I'll I'll

720
00:30:36,230 --> 00:30:34,200
get in my bare feet

721
00:30:38,389 --> 00:30:36,240
um and I'll I'll just you know State my

722
00:30:40,490 --> 00:30:38,399
intention that I just wanna I do it

723
00:30:42,710 --> 00:30:40,500
every time I go I go big footing

724
00:30:44,210 --> 00:30:42,720
unsuccessfully but I'll say my

725
00:30:46,490 --> 00:30:44,220
intentions here is just to learn about

726
00:30:48,230 --> 00:30:46,500
you I'm not trying to invade your space

727
00:30:50,269 --> 00:30:48,240
and if not cause you any harm or

728
00:30:52,490 --> 00:30:50,279
anything like that so but bring humor

729
00:30:54,889 --> 00:30:52,500
into it too I think you know it works in

730
00:30:57,590 --> 00:30:54,899
some cases as long okay as long as it's

731
00:30:59,690 --> 00:30:57,600
respectful I say you know Nathan I will

732
00:31:02,930 --> 00:30:59,700
mention 401K next time I'm in the woods

733
00:31:05,750 --> 00:31:02,940
you never know or possibly asking if he

734
00:31:08,690 --> 00:31:05,760
has PayPal but Debs go ahead my friend

735
00:31:10,730 --> 00:31:08,700
yeah I just I see so many parallels

736
00:31:13,190 --> 00:31:10,740
between these topics like it's

737
00:31:15,889 --> 00:31:13,200
ridiculous you know and then

738
00:31:18,049 --> 00:31:15,899
um the telepathy the there's something

739
00:31:19,970 --> 00:31:18,059
trying to talk to us there's multiple

740
00:31:23,870 --> 00:31:19,980
different things trying to communicate

741
00:31:26,630 --> 00:31:23,880
with us yes um so do you think that says

742
00:31:28,490 --> 00:31:26,640
something about us as humans or the

743
00:31:30,710 --> 00:31:28,500
people who are going out there trying to

744
00:31:32,930 --> 00:31:30,720
have these conversations or do you think

745
00:31:34,549 --> 00:31:32,940
that is because this is you know even

746
00:31:36,470 --> 00:31:34,559
religion you know they're doing the same

747
00:31:38,389 --> 00:31:36,480
thing in religion they're praying and

748
00:31:41,570 --> 00:31:38,399
trying to engage and

749
00:31:43,730 --> 00:31:41,580
there's angels and all that so

750
00:31:45,830 --> 00:31:43,740
um why why do you think that's happening

751
00:31:48,049 --> 00:31:45,840
like is it something that we used to

752
00:31:50,269 --> 00:31:48,059
know how to do it's like what do you

753
00:31:52,430 --> 00:31:50,279
what are your thoughts on this yeah this

754
00:31:55,430 --> 00:31:52,440
is a good question and it does parallel

755
00:31:56,870 --> 00:31:55,440
religion in many respects so I I kind of

756
00:31:59,450 --> 00:31:56,880
think of when you think of the human

757
00:32:01,789 --> 00:31:59,460
body and you think of our nervous system

758
00:32:03,590 --> 00:32:01,799
and there's all these nerves and these

759
00:32:06,769 --> 00:32:03,600
synapses firing in all these different

760
00:32:09,529 --> 00:32:06,779
directions so there's one person and

761
00:32:11,870 --> 00:32:09,539
then you have a collective group maybe

762
00:32:14,029 --> 00:32:11,880
in the U.S or just pretty much spread

763
00:32:16,610 --> 00:32:14,039
out over the world that are going out

764
00:32:19,250 --> 00:32:16,620
and and wanting to communicate with the

765
00:32:22,070 --> 00:32:19,260
Beyond I will say and doing these sorts

766
00:32:24,529 --> 00:32:22,080
of Investigations so is there a

767
00:32:27,610 --> 00:32:24,539
possibility that maybe

768
00:32:30,710 --> 00:32:27,620
one person let's say out in Australia

769
00:32:32,870 --> 00:32:30,720
could be doing something do or on an

770
00:32:36,830 --> 00:32:32,880
investigation and that may affect

771
00:32:38,510 --> 00:32:36,840
someone out here in the U.S maybe on an

772
00:32:40,430 --> 00:32:38,520
investigation or something like that so

773
00:32:42,710 --> 00:32:40,440
I there's like I said with these CERN

774
00:32:45,169 --> 00:32:42,720
synapses that's kind of how I see it

775
00:32:48,310 --> 00:32:45,179
everything that we're doing individually

776
00:32:51,649 --> 00:32:48,320
but yet collectively kind of

777
00:32:53,810 --> 00:32:51,659
influences uh the rest of us so to speak

778
00:32:58,070 --> 00:32:53,820
and I I almost think it's like one big

779
00:33:00,409 --> 00:32:58,080
giant battery and uh it's it's like this

780
00:33:03,470 --> 00:33:00,419
giant capacitor and then we're all

781
00:33:06,470 --> 00:33:03,480
charging it individually and as a group

782
00:33:09,049 --> 00:33:06,480
and so that's almost pinging out into

783
00:33:10,490 --> 00:33:09,059
the atmosphere pinging out into the

784
00:33:14,210 --> 00:33:10,500
different universities and galaxies

785
00:33:16,370 --> 00:33:14,220
Beyond hey we want to know you we want

786
00:33:18,830 --> 00:33:16,380
to we want to learn about you we want to

787
00:33:21,889 --> 00:33:18,840
communicate with you and so that I think

788
00:33:24,049 --> 00:33:21,899
is what what could be fueling it and

789
00:33:26,450 --> 00:33:24,059
then just another thing too and I and

790
00:33:28,490 --> 00:33:26,460
this is some thing that I've heard other

791
00:33:30,470 --> 00:33:28,500
guests say and that I've just talked

792
00:33:32,630 --> 00:33:30,480
about with friends and colleagues is the

793
00:33:35,090 --> 00:33:32,640
whole technological advancement I mean

794
00:33:37,310 --> 00:33:35,100
is there something with technology and

795
00:33:39,169 --> 00:33:37,320
that's kind of helping all of this to

796
00:33:42,409 --> 00:33:39,179
happen I don't know

797
00:33:45,110 --> 00:33:42,419
so can I can I follow up on that real

798
00:33:48,289 --> 00:33:45,120
quick I call it yes ma'am I call it the

799
00:33:50,810 --> 00:33:48,299
cosmic internet and I think and I think

800
00:33:53,269 --> 00:33:50,820
with technology we're trying to capture

801
00:33:56,810 --> 00:33:53,279
the same thing that we're trying to do

802
00:33:59,090 --> 00:33:56,820
in all of these modalities right the

803
00:34:00,950 --> 00:33:59,100
Technology's trying to do it for us in

804
00:34:03,529 --> 00:34:00,960
fact I think they're getting to the

805
00:34:05,570 --> 00:34:03,539
point where they're going to have ai do

806
00:34:07,869 --> 00:34:05,580
a lot of these things like try to reach

807
00:34:12,109 --> 00:34:07,879
out to the cosmos essentially

808
00:34:14,510 --> 00:34:12,119
to the Beyond yeah I love that and it's

809
00:34:16,550 --> 00:34:14,520
like we're waking up something that may

810
00:34:18,470 --> 00:34:16,560
or may not have been dormant all this

811
00:34:20,570 --> 00:34:18,480
time maybe it wasn't dormant but we just

812
00:34:23,089 --> 00:34:20,580
didn't really have a way of seeking it

813
00:34:26,149 --> 00:34:23,099
or finding it and now we are

814
00:34:27,710 --> 00:34:26,159
so you know it's this is I love these

815
00:34:29,149 --> 00:34:27,720
types of questions because it gets you

816
00:34:31,909 --> 00:34:29,159
to critically think

817
00:34:33,710 --> 00:34:31,919
about this type of phenomena that's out

818
00:34:36,349 --> 00:34:33,720
there

819
00:34:37,909 --> 00:34:36,359
and I want to uh because that topic also

820
00:34:40,070 --> 00:34:37,919
I think we're we're going to try to draw

821
00:34:42,169 --> 00:34:40,080
these three things together before the

822
00:34:44,210 --> 00:34:42,179
end of the show but Jules is our chat

823
00:34:46,730 --> 00:34:44,220
monitor she's in there and this is a

824
00:34:48,770 --> 00:34:46,740
good question for you yeah I'll tell you

825
00:34:49,810 --> 00:34:48,780
what man you are so awesome Nicole

826
00:34:55,129 --> 00:34:49,820
already

827
00:34:57,530 --> 00:34:55,139
too I know right

828
00:34:59,930 --> 00:34:57,540
yep yeah we could feel what you're

829
00:35:03,970 --> 00:34:59,940
saying because if we were paranormal

830
00:35:07,970 --> 00:35:03,980
investigators and it basically took one

831
00:35:10,069 --> 00:35:07,980
a haunted restaurant bathroom for Deb to

832
00:35:12,710 --> 00:35:10,079
go running back to her her seat in the

833
00:35:14,990 --> 00:35:12,720
restaurant but if we were

834
00:35:16,370 --> 00:35:15,000
we would want to approach it like you if

835
00:35:17,870 --> 00:35:16,380
we were brave enough and I don't know

836
00:35:20,569 --> 00:35:17,880
that we are

837
00:35:22,849 --> 00:35:20,579
um so Jules is asking what opinion do

838
00:35:26,750 --> 00:35:22,859
you have for Spirit Box devices versus

839
00:35:29,390 --> 00:35:26,760
EVP via recordings okay yeah this is an

840
00:35:32,990 --> 00:35:29,400
excellent question so so let me just say

841
00:35:35,210 --> 00:35:33,000
so an electronic voice phenomenon is not

842
00:35:37,550 --> 00:35:35,220
a disembodied voice so an EVP is

843
00:35:39,950 --> 00:35:37,560
something that our recorders or

844
00:35:42,349 --> 00:35:39,960
recording devices it'll capture some

845
00:35:44,030 --> 00:35:42,359
sort of Voice or sound if it's a sound

846
00:35:46,010 --> 00:35:44,040
it would be an e an electronic noise

847
00:35:47,990 --> 00:35:46,020
phenomenon but in EVP it's a voice or

848
00:35:49,670 --> 00:35:48,000
sound that we don't hear with our naked

849
00:35:51,470 --> 00:35:49,680
ear at the time it's only you know in

850
00:35:53,870 --> 00:35:51,480
review of the audio that you pick it up

851
00:35:57,250 --> 00:35:53,880
versus a disembodied Voice or an audible

852
00:36:00,530 --> 00:35:57,260
voice phenomenon uh and then so the

853
00:36:02,450 --> 00:36:00,540
ITC instrumental trans communication is

854
00:36:06,650 --> 00:36:02,460
essentially real-time communication

855
00:36:09,470 --> 00:36:06,660
between us and whatever spiritual being

856
00:36:11,450 --> 00:36:09,480
we're trying to to communicate with and

857
00:36:14,170 --> 00:36:11,460
so there's different devices for that it

858
00:36:16,730 --> 00:36:14,180
ITC is a little bit more controversial

859
00:36:20,329 --> 00:36:16,740
just because people claim there's a

860
00:36:21,950 --> 00:36:20,339
little bit more subjectivity to it so uh

861
00:36:24,230 --> 00:36:21,960
if you're doing for example and there's

862
00:36:27,530 --> 00:36:24,240
different devices out there but uh for

863
00:36:29,569 --> 00:36:27,540
example the psb7 and psb11 varieties are

864
00:36:31,430 --> 00:36:29,579
two common ones that people are are

865
00:36:34,790 --> 00:36:31,440
using nowadays there's many others as

866
00:36:35,510 --> 00:36:34,800
well uh but uh for the sake of this I'll

867
00:36:40,130 --> 00:36:35,520
just

868
00:36:43,190 --> 00:36:40,140
um use the PSP 7 and psb11 uh so it what

869
00:36:46,550 --> 00:36:43,200
it does is it's it sweeps nanoseconds of

870
00:36:51,530 --> 00:36:46,560
sound as it goes through the bands of am

871
00:36:55,790 --> 00:36:51,540
and FM radio so it's thought that

872
00:36:58,450 --> 00:36:55,800
energies can use the frequency of that

873
00:37:01,190 --> 00:36:58,460
electronic scanning to somehow

874
00:37:04,849 --> 00:37:01,200
communicate and and and speak whether

875
00:37:08,569 --> 00:37:04,859
it's uh one or two words or a phrase for

876
00:37:11,870 --> 00:37:08,579
example so the difference I I use both

877
00:37:14,810 --> 00:37:11,880
methods I use EVP and I use ITC but with

878
00:37:17,089 --> 00:37:14,820
ITC you have to pay attention to the

879
00:37:19,670 --> 00:37:17,099
subjectivity and it has to be a little

880
00:37:22,670 --> 00:37:19,680
bit more controlled because if you're

881
00:37:24,829 --> 00:37:22,680
doing a session and then and you have a

882
00:37:26,569 --> 00:37:24,839
bunch of people around stating out loud

883
00:37:28,970 --> 00:37:26,579
oh I heard this oh I heard this oh I

884
00:37:31,190 --> 00:37:28,980
heard that that's already there's so

885
00:37:33,710 --> 00:37:31,200
much power suggestion and bias with that

886
00:37:36,650 --> 00:37:33,720
so what we look for to try to eliminate

887
00:37:39,470 --> 00:37:36,660
that is we try to have people when

888
00:37:42,410 --> 00:37:39,480
possible maybe write down what they

889
00:37:44,569 --> 00:37:42,420
heard if it's something completely

890
00:37:47,270 --> 00:37:44,579
obvious that everyone heard of course

891
00:37:50,630 --> 00:37:47,280
that's fine but what we look for is we

892
00:37:53,569 --> 00:37:50,640
look for is everyone can everyone hear

893
00:37:56,990 --> 00:37:53,579
what's being said and understand it or

894
00:37:59,870 --> 00:37:57,000
understand part of it is what you're

895
00:38:01,730 --> 00:37:59,880
talking about so is the answer or to

896
00:38:04,730 --> 00:38:01,740
what they're saying or whatever word or

897
00:38:07,130 --> 00:38:04,740
phrase that comes through is it does it

898
00:38:09,890 --> 00:38:07,140
correlate to the the history of that

899
00:38:11,870 --> 00:38:09,900
property or to the questions that the

900
00:38:14,150 --> 00:38:11,880
investigators are answering and if

901
00:38:16,609 --> 00:38:14,160
that's a yes then that's something to

902
00:38:19,370 --> 00:38:16,619
pay attention to and then also if you

903
00:38:22,370 --> 00:38:19,380
get a word or phrase that or a phrase

904
00:38:24,710 --> 00:38:22,380
actually that kind of you can tell that

905
00:38:26,450 --> 00:38:24,720
the the the device already scanned like

906
00:38:30,050 --> 00:38:26,460
eight or nine radio stations but yet

907
00:38:31,609 --> 00:38:30,060
that whole entire phrase uh kind of I

908
00:38:33,950 --> 00:38:31,619
guess developed over that then that's

909
00:38:35,990 --> 00:38:33,960
something to pay attention to so again

910
00:38:38,210 --> 00:38:36,000
my main thing with it I'm long drawn out

911
00:38:40,370 --> 00:38:38,220
answer here is that ITC in my opinion is

912
00:38:42,410 --> 00:38:40,380
a little bit more subjective a little

913
00:38:45,710 --> 00:38:42,420
bit more by there's bias in it and all

914
00:38:48,770 --> 00:38:45,720
of that EVP it can be as well even with

915
00:38:52,670 --> 00:38:48,780
the SDS method uh but just good old

916
00:38:54,829 --> 00:38:52,680
classic EVP I think is less yes you have

917
00:38:56,690 --> 00:38:54,839
you worry about less subjectivity with

918
00:39:00,170 --> 00:38:56,700
it and

919
00:39:03,770 --> 00:39:00,180
um less uh Power suggestion so to speak

920
00:39:06,710 --> 00:39:03,780
so I use both my advice is experiment

921
00:39:09,530 --> 00:39:06,720
with both and see what works for you and

922
00:39:11,510 --> 00:39:09,540
again it's location dependent too so if

923
00:39:14,030 --> 00:39:11,520
you're in a location that is known for a

924
00:39:16,609 --> 00:39:14,040
bunch of audio probably maybe experience

925
00:39:18,230 --> 00:39:16,619
or experiment with both so it just

926
00:39:20,690 --> 00:39:18,240
depends

927
00:39:23,270 --> 00:39:20,700
Nathan it's easy to see why Nicole was

928
00:39:25,730 --> 00:39:23,280
like West Coast Paranormal Investigator

929
00:39:27,410 --> 00:39:25,740
of the year can I get a name man oh yeah

930
00:39:28,609 --> 00:39:27,420
no it's fantastic

931
00:39:30,230 --> 00:39:28,619
um I mean there's just so many

932
00:39:33,710 --> 00:39:30,240
directions I'm thinking of taking the

933
00:39:35,710 --> 00:39:33,720
conversation but I wanted to um I wanted

934
00:39:38,990 --> 00:39:35,720
to ask

935
00:39:42,890 --> 00:39:39,000
this is kind of a broad question but it

936
00:39:45,290 --> 00:39:42,900
what's the sense that you have with the

937
00:39:46,609 --> 00:39:45,300
Paranormal Community

938
00:39:49,750 --> 00:39:46,619
um about

939
00:39:53,690 --> 00:39:49,760
kind of the the age in which we now live

940
00:39:55,730 --> 00:39:53,700
and is there a

941
00:39:58,010 --> 00:39:55,740
is there a particular energy that you're

942
00:39:59,150 --> 00:39:58,020
kind of picking up on you kind of hinted

943
00:40:00,710 --> 00:39:59,160
to this earlier I think in the

944
00:40:01,790 --> 00:40:00,720
conversation and I just wonder if you

945
00:40:04,490 --> 00:40:01,800
could kind of

946
00:40:05,450 --> 00:40:04,500
expound on this uh is there a sense in

947
00:40:07,790 --> 00:40:05,460
which

948
00:40:10,490 --> 00:40:07,800
there's a shift happening in our

949
00:40:12,589 --> 00:40:10,500
Collective awareness of this issue or a

950
00:40:15,890 --> 00:40:12,599
rediscovery I think is maybe even kind

951
00:40:17,990 --> 00:40:15,900
of hinted at what's your take on the

952
00:40:20,690 --> 00:40:18,000
time in which we find ourselves

953
00:40:22,790 --> 00:40:20,700
but yeah this is a very I love these

954
00:40:25,370 --> 00:40:22,800
sorts of questions and here I go with my

955
00:40:28,069 --> 00:40:25,380
mind going all over the place yeah there

956
00:40:29,810 --> 00:40:28,079
I there and I you know I think about

957
00:40:32,569 --> 00:40:29,820
this and there's some sort of energy

958
00:40:36,470 --> 00:40:32,579
shift that's occurring and I can't quite

959
00:40:39,829 --> 00:40:36,480
put my finger on exactly what that is

960
00:40:42,109 --> 00:40:39,839
uh it seems that for some reason this

961
00:40:44,930 --> 00:40:42,119
goes I think beyond the television shows

962
00:40:47,810 --> 00:40:44,940
Beyond Hollywood and all of that uh that

963
00:40:49,609 --> 00:40:47,820
whole Cosmic shift going on I think

964
00:40:52,810 --> 00:40:49,619
that's there's something in the cosmos

965
00:40:55,790 --> 00:40:52,820
like I said and that's almost

966
00:40:59,270 --> 00:40:55,800
perpetuating this the Paranormal

967
00:41:02,270 --> 00:40:59,280
phenomenon things of that nature uh

968
00:41:05,150 --> 00:41:02,280
oh my gosh let's see there's there's

969
00:41:07,849 --> 00:41:05,160
younger people coming and I am seeing

970
00:41:10,250 --> 00:41:07,859
this there's younger people coming I'm

971
00:41:12,349 --> 00:41:10,260
now I'm 43 so you know I just rebuild my

972
00:41:17,210 --> 00:41:12,359
age but there's younger people young

973
00:41:19,250 --> 00:41:17,220
girl young girl oh no gosh man I I would

974
00:41:22,609 --> 00:41:19,260
just turn 21 where did that go hello

975
00:41:26,990 --> 00:41:22,619
anyway so just glad just left Universe

976
00:41:30,170 --> 00:41:27,000
it just I mean it just happened oh my

977
00:41:33,050 --> 00:41:30,180
god oh anyways so I so I'm seeing

978
00:41:34,970 --> 00:41:33,060
there's different almost Generations now

979
00:41:37,370 --> 00:41:34,980
in the field but maybe it's because

980
00:41:40,609 --> 00:41:37,380
we're more knowledgeable of field it's

981
00:41:41,630 --> 00:41:40,619
more in our infused in our society but I

982
00:41:43,430 --> 00:41:41,640
think there's a little bit of a

983
00:41:45,890 --> 00:41:43,440
difference between the younger

984
00:41:48,589 --> 00:41:45,900
generation and the older when I say

985
00:41:53,870 --> 00:41:48,599
older maybe you know people in their 30s

986
00:41:56,030 --> 00:41:53,880
or 40s or older uh just intent wise and

987
00:41:56,930 --> 00:41:56,040
I and again I may be wrong on this it's

988
00:42:00,050 --> 00:41:56,940
just

989
00:42:03,349 --> 00:42:00,060
and maybe it's that younger age that

990
00:42:04,730 --> 00:42:03,359
pays more attention to the Paranormal

991
00:42:09,170 --> 00:42:04,740
being

992
00:42:12,589 --> 00:42:09,180
almost uh thought of as like one big

993
00:42:15,050 --> 00:42:12,599
entertainment venue ver you know so I

994
00:42:17,089 --> 00:42:15,060
don't yeah this is a good question I

995
00:42:20,390 --> 00:42:17,099
would have to think more on it but there

996
00:42:22,370 --> 00:42:20,400
is some sort of shift going on like I

997
00:42:24,650 --> 00:42:22,380
said I can't quite put my finger on

998
00:42:27,290 --> 00:42:24,660
exactly what that is but you can kind of

999
00:42:29,390 --> 00:42:27,300
feel it you can kind of feel it so I

1000
00:42:31,370 --> 00:42:29,400
just there's more it's more infused and

1001
00:42:39,430 --> 00:42:31,380
more people are opening up to it too

1002
00:42:43,849 --> 00:42:42,710
these two uh both feel that there's a

1003
00:42:45,890 --> 00:42:43,859
sea change

1004
00:42:47,750 --> 00:42:45,900
and and they're looking at it from I

1005
00:42:50,510 --> 00:42:47,760
mean from all three perspectives but

1006
00:42:52,550 --> 00:42:50,520
primarily from the UFO perspective so

1007
00:42:54,890 --> 00:42:52,560
it's kind of bouncing that question off

1008
00:42:56,450 --> 00:42:54,900
you because you have you know tentacles

1009
00:42:59,089 --> 00:42:56,460
spread all over the Paranormal Community

1010
00:43:01,849 --> 00:42:59,099
are people seeing that we're in a moment

1011
00:43:04,730 --> 00:43:01,859
that we've perhaps arrived at a moment

1012
00:43:07,430 --> 00:43:04,740
that that we've not yet

1013
00:43:10,490 --> 00:43:07,440
oh yeah so you just made me think of

1014
00:43:12,470 --> 00:43:10,500
something I I almost think we're at a

1015
00:43:15,050 --> 00:43:12,480
cross now again well in my opinion take

1016
00:43:17,630 --> 00:43:15,060
it or leave it I think we're almost at a

1017
00:43:19,550 --> 00:43:17,640
Crossroads and I'm not just speaking for

1018
00:43:21,710 --> 00:43:19,560
the ghost research Community or the

1019
00:43:23,809 --> 00:43:21,720
afterlife Community I'm speaking for all

1020
00:43:26,390 --> 00:43:23,819
the different subcategories of the

1021
00:43:29,329 --> 00:43:26,400
Paranormal apparent paranormal hi can I

1022
00:43:32,150 --> 00:43:29,339
talk paranormal uh paranormal field

1023
00:43:35,270 --> 00:43:32,160
there and it's it's like we're at this

1024
00:43:37,190 --> 00:43:35,280
Crossroads that we're at like we're on

1025
00:43:39,710 --> 00:43:37,200
to something that could be a huge

1026
00:43:41,990 --> 00:43:39,720
massive Discovery but we could either go

1027
00:43:44,809 --> 00:43:42,000
about it the right way or go about it

1028
00:43:48,050 --> 00:43:44,819
down the path that can [\h__\h] us and so

1029
00:43:50,089 --> 00:43:48,060
that's something that that I'm kind of

1030
00:43:51,470 --> 00:43:50,099
paying attention to it's something there

1031
00:43:53,809 --> 00:43:51,480
but again it's

1032
00:43:55,910 --> 00:43:53,819
I can't really put my finger on exactly

1033
00:43:58,730 --> 00:43:55,920
what that is I don't I don't know if you

1034
00:44:01,430 --> 00:43:58,740
guys have picked that up as well

1035
00:44:04,210 --> 00:44:01,440
when we talk about it a decent bit I

1036
00:44:07,730 --> 00:44:04,220
think because the um

1037
00:44:10,250 --> 00:44:07,740
we've had uh

1038
00:44:12,650 --> 00:44:10,260
Our Kind of Science has has taken us

1039
00:44:15,589 --> 00:44:12,660
really far and and it's given us amazing

1040
00:44:17,270 --> 00:44:15,599
things yet we've also starting to we're

1041
00:44:19,730 --> 00:44:17,280
kind of coming up against some of its

1042
00:44:23,089 --> 00:44:19,740
limitations and we're we're coming aware

1043
00:44:25,010 --> 00:44:23,099
of some of its of its limitations

1044
00:44:27,530 --> 00:44:25,020
um or at least we're becoming aware of

1045
00:44:29,510 --> 00:44:27,540
how some of the core assumptions that

1046
00:44:32,990 --> 00:44:29,520
we've held for a very long time aren't

1047
00:44:37,010 --> 00:44:33,000
in fact correct right which is which is

1048
00:44:39,109 --> 00:44:37,020
generally the you know kind of

1049
00:44:41,150 --> 00:44:39,119
it pretends that we're on the beginning

1050
00:44:43,010 --> 00:44:41,160
of a change right when when we're

1051
00:44:45,230 --> 00:44:43,020
starting to realize that our models are

1052
00:44:47,030 --> 00:44:45,240
not working the way that they we think

1053
00:44:49,670 --> 00:44:47,040
that they should that tells us that

1054
00:44:51,890 --> 00:44:49,680
we're on the cusp of a discovery right

1055
00:44:54,349 --> 00:44:51,900
and that's what it feels like with this

1056
00:44:56,630 --> 00:44:54,359
topic and and UFOs and all these kinds

1057
00:44:59,030 --> 00:44:56,640
of things that that they are reminding

1058
00:45:01,190 --> 00:44:59,040
us that the models that we all thought

1059
00:45:02,750 --> 00:45:01,200
were kind of like set in stone and

1060
00:45:04,609 --> 00:45:02,760
everything was great we're done we

1061
00:45:06,770 --> 00:45:04,619
figured this out those aren't in fact

1062
00:45:08,630 --> 00:45:06,780
correct like our assumptions are wrong

1063
00:45:11,950 --> 00:45:08,640
and we've got to rework our models

1064
00:45:15,349 --> 00:45:11,960
understanding of reality and incorporate

1065
00:45:18,050 --> 00:45:15,359
this broader phenomena that is happening

1066
00:45:20,930 --> 00:45:18,060
and and and treat it with respect and

1067
00:45:23,030 --> 00:45:20,940
and and and seriousness and not just

1068
00:45:24,710 --> 00:45:23,040
sort of like brush it off it's like well

1069
00:45:26,930 --> 00:45:24,720
that's just another crazy story you know

1070
00:45:28,430 --> 00:45:26,940
humans come up with crazy things exactly

1071
00:45:30,410 --> 00:45:28,440
weirdos yeah just another one of those

1072
00:45:32,089 --> 00:45:30,420
weird things uh you know instead of

1073
00:45:34,250 --> 00:45:32,099
instead of brushing it off like we have

1074
00:45:35,690 --> 00:45:34,260
for the last many many decades I think

1075
00:45:37,309 --> 00:45:35,700
we're now kind of coming to a place

1076
00:45:38,809 --> 00:45:37,319
where like well wait a minute

1077
00:45:40,609 --> 00:45:38,819
you're telling me you've had this

1078
00:45:43,370 --> 00:45:40,619
experience I've had this experience

1079
00:45:45,470 --> 00:45:43,380
let's maybe take this seriously and not

1080
00:45:47,930 --> 00:45:45,480
laugh it off as just kind of a fluke of

1081
00:45:50,030 --> 00:45:47,940
The Human Condition or whatever right I

1082
00:45:51,530 --> 00:45:50,040
mean that that's so eloquently said and

1083
00:45:53,150 --> 00:45:51,540
it's it's almost like it's in front of

1084
00:45:55,370 --> 00:45:53,160
our face you know we're getting all

1085
00:45:57,710 --> 00:45:55,380
these synchronicities and things of that

1086
00:45:59,089 --> 00:45:57,720
nature and it's begging us to pay

1087
00:46:01,370 --> 00:45:59,099
attention

1088
00:46:03,050 --> 00:46:01,380
exactly and so not everyone with going

1089
00:46:05,809 --> 00:46:03,060
back to it's all about intention right

1090
00:46:09,050 --> 00:46:05,819
not everyone with the intent to really

1091
00:46:11,450 --> 00:46:09,060
want to know what this is all about

1092
00:46:13,190 --> 00:46:11,460
maybe someone's wanting to do this

1093
00:46:14,809 --> 00:46:13,200
because they just want to get on TV I

1094
00:46:17,150 --> 00:46:14,819
don't know but for those

1095
00:46:18,890 --> 00:46:17,160
for the people that like us that and in

1096
00:46:22,430 --> 00:46:18,900
those in the in the chat that really

1097
00:46:25,849 --> 00:46:22,440
really want to have this genuine

1098
00:46:28,309 --> 00:46:25,859
uh understanding of what's going on yeah

1099
00:46:29,690 --> 00:46:28,319
I do think we're we're you said it

1100
00:46:31,370 --> 00:46:29,700
beautifully there's it's just something

1101
00:46:33,650 --> 00:46:31,380
like that's right in front of our face

1102
00:46:36,349 --> 00:46:33,660
it's begging us to pay attention and

1103
00:46:38,030 --> 00:46:36,359
when we do that I I maybe I sound a

1104
00:46:40,730 --> 00:46:38,040
little mushy here I don't know I think

1105
00:46:43,130 --> 00:46:40,740
something beautiful is going to uh come

1106
00:46:46,910 --> 00:46:43,140
from it I do

1107
00:46:50,030 --> 00:46:46,920
this is why I love when people use the

1108
00:46:53,150 --> 00:46:50,040
term known science or our science or

1109
00:46:54,770 --> 00:46:53,160
known physics don't say you know that we

1110
00:46:56,870 --> 00:46:54,780
are at the limit of physics or something

1111
00:46:59,630 --> 00:46:56,880
you don't know you just know what you

1112
00:47:02,210 --> 00:46:59,640
know you know what human science and

1113
00:47:05,030 --> 00:47:02,220
human physics but you can't know you

1114
00:47:07,069 --> 00:47:05,040
know universal laws of physics that are

1115
00:47:08,809 --> 00:47:07,079
you can't you just can't know Universal

1116
00:47:10,790 --> 00:47:08,819
you can only know what you know what

1117
00:47:12,829 --> 00:47:10,800
we've discovered on Earth so I like when

1118
00:47:14,750 --> 00:47:12,839
people are careful and they they use

1119
00:47:17,450 --> 00:47:14,760
those terms because we it's yet

1120
00:47:21,170 --> 00:47:17,460
undiscovered it's yet codified and even

1121
00:47:23,630 --> 00:47:21,180
you've said it's not yet understood you

1122
00:47:25,970 --> 00:47:23,640
know it's not I mean we don't even know

1123
00:47:28,730 --> 00:47:25,980
if we're opening up other intelligences

1124
00:47:31,609 --> 00:47:28,740
or tapping into other types of

1125
00:47:34,250 --> 00:47:31,619
Technologies of course that could maybe

1126
00:47:37,370 --> 00:47:34,260
really give us the answer or give us

1127
00:47:40,430 --> 00:47:37,380
some sort of semblance of wow

1128
00:47:42,770 --> 00:47:40,440
wow we thought that was right but boy it

1129
00:47:45,829 --> 00:47:42,780
sure isn't you know it's it's there's so

1130
00:47:46,690 --> 00:47:45,839
much more out there and I it's like

1131
00:47:49,609 --> 00:47:46,700
yeah

1132
00:47:51,650 --> 00:47:49,619
we've got to dig into it Nicole because

1133
00:47:53,210 --> 00:47:51,660
I'm about because I want to add I want

1134
00:47:55,370 --> 00:47:53,220
to get into the but I'll tell you what

1135
00:47:57,170 --> 00:47:55,380
before we leave tonight don't let me

1136
00:47:59,329 --> 00:47:57,180
leave without asking you about 28 days

1137
00:48:01,430 --> 00:47:59,339
haunted because I'm I'm gonna ask you

1138
00:48:08,589 --> 00:48:01,440
about that Series so well we got you

1139
00:48:13,430 --> 00:48:10,550
but anyway

1140
00:48:15,770 --> 00:48:13,440
is really you guys that we can do yeah

1141
00:48:16,970 --> 00:48:15,780
I have but uh I don't even know if Debs

1142
00:48:19,130 --> 00:48:16,980
and Nathan have seen it but what I want

1143
00:48:20,750 --> 00:48:19,140
to do I want to go to Debs and go and

1144
00:48:23,630 --> 00:48:20,760
then we'll go down to Nathan and to you

1145
00:48:26,329 --> 00:48:23,640
with this this notion of demons and and

1146
00:48:28,609 --> 00:48:26,339
something that Nicole suggested about a

1147
00:48:30,829 --> 00:48:28,619
non-human intelligence dibs in

1148
00:48:34,370 --> 00:48:30,839
everything that you've learned in all of

1149
00:48:36,530 --> 00:48:34,380
your research and all the hours that

1150
00:48:39,770 --> 00:48:36,540
you've thought about this what do you

1151
00:48:43,370 --> 00:48:41,630
um honestly I think it's a semantic term

1152
00:48:45,710 --> 00:48:43,380
covering a lot of different things I

1153
00:48:47,510 --> 00:48:45,720
know that sounds like I'm backing out of

1154
00:48:50,390 --> 00:48:47,520
answering but if you look at other

1155
00:48:52,910 --> 00:48:50,400
cultures they have different names for a

1156
00:48:56,150 --> 00:48:52,920
mischievous Spirit like the Gin right

1157
00:48:58,250 --> 00:48:56,160
even like gnomes and Gremlins they're a

1158
00:49:01,730 --> 00:48:58,260
mischievous little beings that are

1159
00:49:04,790 --> 00:49:01,740
bothering humans or harassing them

1160
00:49:07,309 --> 00:49:04,800
um so I feel and you know even in like

1161
00:49:09,290 --> 00:49:07,319
the more spiritual realm we have like

1162
00:49:13,730 --> 00:49:09,300
Poltergeist doing kind of mischievous

1163
00:49:16,089 --> 00:49:13,740
things to humans also so I feel like

1164
00:49:19,190 --> 00:49:16,099
you know I have a question mark on that

1165
00:49:21,530 --> 00:49:19,200
you know like is there something that

1166
00:49:24,710 --> 00:49:21,540
really is a demon or is it a whole bunch

1167
00:49:27,349 --> 00:49:24,720
of things getting that label yeah okay

1168
00:49:29,690 --> 00:49:27,359
let's let me let me try to reframe it

1169
00:49:32,210 --> 00:49:29,700
from a discussion Nathan and I had

1170
00:49:35,089 --> 00:49:32,220
yesterday because there's a podcast that

1171
00:49:37,069 --> 00:49:35,099
I'll send to you guys about exorcism and

1172
00:49:40,190 --> 00:49:37,079
it surrounds these sort of experiences

1173
00:49:43,790 --> 00:49:40,200
of uh uh father Carlos Martins who I

1174
00:49:47,030 --> 00:49:43,800
believe in the the uh CAF the Catholic

1175
00:49:49,309 --> 00:49:47,040
church in this country he is the I I

1176
00:49:52,190 --> 00:49:49,319
hate to say the number one Exorcist but

1177
00:49:55,849 --> 00:49:52,200
I believe they describe him some in in

1178
00:49:58,609 --> 00:49:55,859
some manner uh as as the the Catholic

1179
00:50:01,250 --> 00:49:58,619
Church's preferred Exorcist So I will

1180
00:50:03,710 --> 00:50:01,260
ask you Debs when

1181
00:50:05,329 --> 00:50:03,720
this happens and Nathan and I discussed

1182
00:50:06,890 --> 00:50:05,339
this yesterday where

1183
00:50:09,410 --> 00:50:06,900
um he's trying to exercise he's doing

1184
00:50:11,750 --> 00:50:09,420
his initial interview with someone who's

1185
00:50:14,390 --> 00:50:11,760
potentially possessed he doesn't know

1186
00:50:17,210 --> 00:50:14,400
yet and at one point he went behind the

1187
00:50:20,450 --> 00:50:17,220
subject and took one he said it was an

1188
00:50:22,370 --> 00:50:20,460
eighth of a drop of holy water and

1189
00:50:24,770 --> 00:50:22,380
flicked it on the person's back and they

1190
00:50:26,569 --> 00:50:24,780
just started absolutely screaming uh

1191
00:50:29,630 --> 00:50:26,579
with that you know that demonic deep

1192
00:50:33,309 --> 00:50:29,640
growling voice that didn't sound like

1193
00:50:35,390 --> 00:50:33,319
the individual himself so this sort of

1194
00:50:37,309 --> 00:50:35,400
evil something

1195
00:50:38,809 --> 00:50:37,319
and I'm characterizing it that way and

1196
00:50:40,910 --> 00:50:38,819
forgive me just because I don't know

1197
00:50:43,609 --> 00:50:40,920
exactly how to characterize it but

1198
00:50:46,790 --> 00:50:43,619
that's how the the clergy characterizes

1199
00:50:49,370 --> 00:50:46,800
it is able to at the invitation of an

1200
00:50:51,589 --> 00:50:49,380
individual inhabit that body

1201
00:50:54,710 --> 00:50:51,599
do you think that that's something that

1202
00:50:57,770 --> 00:50:54,720
is another uh as as Nicole said maybe a

1203
00:50:59,329 --> 00:50:57,780
non-human intelligence or or what do

1204
00:51:00,950 --> 00:50:59,339
what what do you make of that and then

1205
00:51:02,109 --> 00:51:00,960
we'll go to Nathan we'll go to Nicole

1206
00:51:05,930 --> 00:51:02,119
with that question

1207
00:51:08,270 --> 00:51:05,940
hmm that's a tough one like I I can't

1208
00:51:10,430 --> 00:51:08,280
help but like my psychology background

1209
00:51:12,290 --> 00:51:10,440
comes up in this too you know I keep

1210
00:51:14,690 --> 00:51:12,300
thinking like the water itself is not

1211
00:51:16,549 --> 00:51:14,700
what's going to matter it's the fact

1212
00:51:18,530 --> 00:51:16,559
that the person thinks that the water is

1213
00:51:19,549 --> 00:51:18,540
going to hurt them is going to be a

1214
00:51:21,950 --> 00:51:19,559
factor

1215
00:51:24,950 --> 00:51:21,960
you know like I I can't help but think

1216
00:51:28,190 --> 00:51:24,960
that that's an issue too so I mean do I

1217
00:51:30,589 --> 00:51:28,200
think that there's actual evil from

1218
00:51:33,109 --> 00:51:30,599
non-human intelligence or Spirits

1219
00:51:34,430 --> 00:51:33,119
absolutely I can answer that

1220
00:51:38,390 --> 00:51:34,440
okay

1221
00:51:39,950 --> 00:51:38,400
fair enough Nathan yeah I think uh and

1222
00:51:42,829 --> 00:51:39,960
Nicole I really love the way that you

1223
00:51:44,630 --> 00:51:42,839
kind of set this up earlier uh that and

1224
00:51:46,250 --> 00:51:44,640
and Deb you hit it on this as well but

1225
00:51:50,809 --> 00:51:46,260
it's the kind of characterization that

1226
00:51:53,750 --> 00:51:50,819
we give uh to this energy or entity

1227
00:51:55,910 --> 00:51:53,760
um you know that we label it demonic

1228
00:51:59,390 --> 00:51:55,920
because we we associate it with it doing

1229
00:52:01,849 --> 00:51:59,400
something harmful to human beings so

1230
00:52:04,609 --> 00:52:01,859
it's antagonistic to us towards us and

1231
00:52:06,290 --> 00:52:04,619
therefore it's demonic and we and we

1232
00:52:08,450 --> 00:52:06,300
have these kind of archetypes that we've

1233
00:52:10,910 --> 00:52:08,460
inherited in the west of you know demons

1234
00:52:12,589 --> 00:52:10,920
or against us and angels are for us and

1235
00:52:15,109 --> 00:52:12,599
you know so it just gets bucketed into

1236
00:52:17,450 --> 00:52:15,119
this demon character uh

1237
00:52:19,970 --> 00:52:17,460
category category

1238
00:52:21,290 --> 00:52:19,980
um but I think you know kind of stepping

1239
00:52:24,470 --> 00:52:21,300
back from

1240
00:52:27,290 --> 00:52:24,480
that knee-jerk reaction to label it like

1241
00:52:29,930 --> 00:52:27,300
that it's it's more so just you know

1242
00:52:31,549 --> 00:52:29,940
what is the overall energy of this being

1243
00:52:35,329 --> 00:52:31,559
and

1244
00:52:37,930 --> 00:52:35,339
um what what is it you know trying to do

1245
00:52:41,329 --> 00:52:37,940
um you know it has its own kind of uh

1246
00:52:44,750 --> 00:52:41,339
need in a way just like we have a need

1247
00:52:47,450 --> 00:52:44,760
uh and and sometimes those needs are not

1248
00:52:49,010 --> 00:52:47,460
in alignment just like uh the needs of

1249
00:52:51,049 --> 00:52:49,020
two friends may not be in alignment

1250
00:52:52,609 --> 00:52:51,059
right like you may want something and I

1251
00:52:54,589 --> 00:52:52,619
want the opposite well does that make

1252
00:52:56,870 --> 00:52:54,599
you a demon to me well no you know we

1253
00:52:59,569 --> 00:52:56,880
just have to negotiate right you know

1254
00:53:02,329 --> 00:52:59,579
kind of our relationship in this way

1255
00:53:05,390 --> 00:53:02,339
um and you know in terms of the you know

1256
00:53:07,370 --> 00:53:05,400
the holy water situation or you know the

1257
00:53:09,770 --> 00:53:07,380
The Exorcist

1258
00:53:11,150 --> 00:53:09,780
um situation I mean humans you can look

1259
00:53:13,670 --> 00:53:11,160
through history there are there are lots

1260
00:53:16,549 --> 00:53:13,680
of examples where there's kind of a a

1261
00:53:18,470 --> 00:53:16,559
shaman type figure in the community who

1262
00:53:21,650 --> 00:53:18,480
helps kind of transmute some of these

1263
00:53:25,010 --> 00:53:21,660
energies that that possess quote unquote

1264
00:53:26,630 --> 00:53:25,020
people in the community and the and most

1265
00:53:29,630 --> 00:53:26,640
other people in the community don't know

1266
00:53:32,750 --> 00:53:29,640
how to engage or work with that kind of

1267
00:53:36,109 --> 00:53:32,760
person you know and so these shamans or

1268
00:53:39,770 --> 00:53:36,119
priests you know they have uh taken it

1269
00:53:42,349 --> 00:53:39,780
upon themselves to to uh you know in a

1270
00:53:43,849 --> 00:53:42,359
way kind of commune with these energies

1271
00:53:45,470 --> 00:53:43,859
that the rest of us are just kind of

1272
00:53:46,970 --> 00:53:45,480
like well I don't you know this makes me

1273
00:53:48,589 --> 00:53:46,980
uncomfortable I don't want to get close

1274
00:53:50,329 --> 00:53:48,599
to this but they're but they're they're

1275
00:53:52,609 --> 00:53:50,339
leaning in rather than leaning away

1276
00:53:54,890 --> 00:53:52,619
right and it's those kinds of people

1277
00:53:56,809 --> 00:53:54,900
that that we need because what they do

1278
00:53:59,569 --> 00:53:56,819
is they transform

1279
00:54:01,970 --> 00:53:59,579
that energy that a situation and and

1280
00:54:03,950 --> 00:54:01,980
they kind of help that energy which is

1281
00:54:06,349 --> 00:54:03,960
sort of stuck in a way like it's

1282
00:54:09,710 --> 00:54:06,359
possessed in that person and allow it to

1283
00:54:11,210 --> 00:54:09,720
flow away from that like it's like it's

1284
00:54:13,190 --> 00:54:11,220
a blocked essentially and they're kind

1285
00:54:15,829 --> 00:54:13,200
of unblocking it

1286
00:54:18,950 --> 00:54:15,839
um and the violent reaction you know to

1287
00:54:20,450 --> 00:54:18,960
to that holy water or what have you

1288
00:54:23,030 --> 00:54:20,460
um you know it's in a way I kind of look

1289
00:54:26,329 --> 00:54:23,040
at that as like almost like the like the

1290
00:54:28,849 --> 00:54:26,339
collective uh unconsciousness awareness

1291
00:54:32,450 --> 00:54:28,859
of what's happening in that individual

1292
00:54:35,630 --> 00:54:32,460
to this sort of overall concept and

1293
00:54:37,849 --> 00:54:35,640
there there's a revulsion to being to to

1294
00:54:40,370 --> 00:54:37,859
like wanting to be set free because

1295
00:54:42,589 --> 00:54:40,380
they're they're almost like in a way

1296
00:54:44,750 --> 00:54:42,599
happy where they are but but they're but

1297
00:54:46,010 --> 00:54:44,760
they're also not at home you know

1298
00:54:47,390 --> 00:54:46,020
um so it's like hey you know you know

1299
00:54:49,670 --> 00:54:47,400
you're happy and comfortable there but

1300
00:54:52,190 --> 00:54:49,680
we kind of need you to move along

1301
00:54:54,829 --> 00:54:52,200
um and that can be uncomfortable for

1302
00:54:55,970 --> 00:54:54,839
anyone right to be kind of thing if you

1303
00:54:57,589 --> 00:54:55,980
have a guest that stays at your house

1304
00:54:59,990 --> 00:54:57,599
too long and you say look it's time to

1305
00:55:01,670 --> 00:55:00,000
go they may not like you saying that to

1306
00:55:04,870 --> 00:55:01,680
them but ultimately they know they need

1307
00:55:07,970 --> 00:55:04,880
to leave yeah

1308
00:55:09,470 --> 00:55:07,980
yeah oh go ahead sorry no go ahead go

1309
00:55:10,250 --> 00:55:09,480
ahead Nicole no were you gonna ask

1310
00:55:12,710 --> 00:55:10,260
something

1311
00:55:15,710 --> 00:55:12,720
I was going to ask Nathan like if if you

1312
00:55:17,930 --> 00:55:15,720
go to Ben and Jerry's like would you be

1313
00:55:20,750 --> 00:55:17,940
more prone to get like a cookie dough

1314
00:55:23,150 --> 00:55:20,760
type of an ice cream or more like a a

1315
00:55:25,190 --> 00:55:23,160
coffee with a mocha chip type of an ice

1316
00:55:27,170 --> 00:55:25,200
cream oh man a good like yeah a good

1317
00:55:29,270 --> 00:55:27,180
coffee ice cream that's pretty hard to

1318
00:55:31,190 --> 00:55:29,280
beat sounds good yeah a younger me would

1319
00:55:34,430 --> 00:55:31,200
say cookie dough but the older me is

1320
00:55:37,010 --> 00:55:34,440
saying coffee so I'll go for ice cream

1321
00:55:39,589 --> 00:55:37,020
ice cream mature Nathan the evolved

1322
00:55:42,410 --> 00:55:39,599
Nathan then okay here we go

1323
00:55:44,990 --> 00:55:42,420
um the other the other thing and as I

1324
00:55:47,089 --> 00:55:45,000
just want to uh just add to the frame

1325
00:55:49,309 --> 00:55:47,099
just a little bit for for your answer on

1326
00:55:51,730 --> 00:55:49,319
this same question Nicole that that

1327
00:55:55,069 --> 00:55:51,740
perplexed me that uh some of these

1328
00:55:59,150 --> 00:55:55,079
Exorcist report is they report and some

1329
00:56:00,829 --> 00:55:59,160
people a an unnatural strength like uh

1330
00:56:03,470 --> 00:56:00,839
you know like a hundred pound woman

1331
00:56:05,510 --> 00:56:03,480
tossing these 300 pound men across the

1332
00:56:07,250 --> 00:56:05,520
room there's another thing about

1333
00:56:09,049 --> 00:56:07,260
someone who's never learned a language

1334
00:56:12,530 --> 00:56:09,059
and all of a sudden they're speaking in

1335
00:56:14,690 --> 00:56:12,540
Latin or they're uh there's uh some

1336
00:56:16,490 --> 00:56:14,700
reports to them speaking like in a a

1337
00:56:19,069 --> 00:56:16,500
Norse tongue that would be associated

1338
00:56:20,990 --> 00:56:19,079
with the Viking era or something like a

1339
00:56:23,030 --> 00:56:21,000
language that they couldn't know or or

1340
00:56:25,910 --> 00:56:23,040
their family and friends say they did

1341
00:56:27,910 --> 00:56:25,920
not know this language so I have to add

1342
00:56:30,230 --> 00:56:27,920
that into the mix to try to understand

1343
00:56:31,970 --> 00:56:30,240
what's going on here

1344
00:56:34,849 --> 00:56:31,980
yeah you know

1345
00:56:36,609 --> 00:56:34,859
the whole concept of of demons to me I

1346
00:56:39,650 --> 00:56:36,619
think is something that's misunderstood

1347
00:56:42,790 --> 00:56:39,660
not maybe completely classified

1348
00:56:47,150 --> 00:56:42,800
according to what it really is

1349
00:56:48,589 --> 00:56:47,160
uh and I this is just me personally

1350
00:56:49,849 --> 00:56:48,599
um and I have a psychology background

1351
00:56:52,069 --> 00:56:49,859
too and I thought that that makes me

1352
00:56:54,170 --> 00:56:52,079
more you know knowledgeable of it or

1353
00:56:56,089 --> 00:56:54,180
anything I'm just stating that

1354
00:56:58,309 --> 00:56:56,099
I kind of have a different take and and

1355
00:57:00,710 --> 00:56:58,319
I I'll and I'll say this that you know

1356
00:57:04,250 --> 00:57:00,720
there's malevolent energy

1357
00:57:07,490 --> 00:57:04,260
from peop from living people okay so uh

1358
00:57:09,049 --> 00:57:07,500
and even uh non-human energies let's say

1359
00:57:10,370 --> 00:57:09,059
let's let's just for the sake of

1360
00:57:11,809 --> 00:57:10,380
argument let's say that that's what a

1361
00:57:14,870 --> 00:57:11,819
demon is

1362
00:57:17,390 --> 00:57:14,880
um and and it has this intent to want to

1363
00:57:20,990 --> 00:57:17,400
do Malice and things like that

1364
00:57:23,630 --> 00:57:21,000
I do and this is again my own opinion I

1365
00:57:24,589 --> 00:57:23,640
do feel that we we need to kind of think

1366
00:57:27,770 --> 00:57:24,599
about

1367
00:57:29,569 --> 00:57:27,780
the concept of thought projections and

1368
00:57:32,510 --> 00:57:29,579
things like tulpas

1369
00:57:35,270 --> 00:57:32,520
so it's it's when someone concentrates

1370
00:57:37,549 --> 00:57:35,280
on a thought for so long that thought

1371
00:57:39,589 --> 00:57:37,559
can take its own life form and so when

1372
00:57:41,569 --> 00:57:39,599
you think about demons going back

1373
00:57:44,349 --> 00:57:41,579
hundreds of thousands of years and in

1374
00:57:46,609 --> 00:57:44,359
different cultures beliefs and

1375
00:57:49,130 --> 00:57:46,619
predispositions have been formed and

1376
00:57:50,630 --> 00:57:49,140
that's just kind of almost one big

1377
00:57:52,849 --> 00:57:50,640
gigantic

1378
00:57:55,549 --> 00:57:52,859
if you will it could be thought

1379
00:57:57,530 --> 00:57:55,559
formation so again in going back to what

1380
00:57:59,569 --> 00:57:57,540
we were discussing earlier with the

1381
00:58:02,270 --> 00:57:59,579
whole demon thing people that that

1382
00:58:04,370 --> 00:58:02,280
aren't really whether they're religious

1383
00:58:08,089 --> 00:58:04,380
or not certain religions are predisposed

1384
00:58:09,950 --> 00:58:08,099
like Catholicism for example to uh more

1385
00:58:12,950 --> 00:58:09,960
fear ghosts and things of that nature

1386
00:58:14,870 --> 00:58:12,960
but let's say there are people that that

1387
00:58:17,569 --> 00:58:14,880
don't have a lot a lot of knowledge in

1388
00:58:20,450 --> 00:58:17,579
the Paranormal or maybe they uh haven't

1389
00:58:22,069 --> 00:58:20,460
really had a lot of experiences so

1390
00:58:23,690 --> 00:58:22,079
they're and maybe they're vulnerable

1391
00:58:25,549 --> 00:58:23,700
maybe they're a little bit naive and

1392
00:58:28,430 --> 00:58:25,559
they're watching a lot of

1393
00:58:31,790 --> 00:58:28,440
uh TV shows or movies or things of that

1394
00:58:34,069 --> 00:58:31,800
nature and they're seeing all of this

1395
00:58:38,809 --> 00:58:34,079
evil and things of that you know of that

1396
00:58:40,910 --> 00:58:38,819
nature horror uh whatnot that's whether

1397
00:58:42,950 --> 00:58:40,920
they realize it or not that could be

1398
00:58:46,609 --> 00:58:42,960
influencing them and influencing how

1399
00:58:48,890 --> 00:58:46,619
they interpret the types of activity

1400
00:58:51,410 --> 00:58:48,900
that they come across so then you get

1401
00:58:55,250 --> 00:58:51,420
into interpretations as well

1402
00:58:58,670 --> 00:58:55,260
so I feel and then when you get into the

1403
00:59:01,970 --> 00:58:58,680
to human energy how out of all the

1404
00:59:03,950 --> 00:59:01,980
percentage of I'm going to say alleged

1405
00:59:06,470 --> 00:59:03,960
demonic attacks that people have had

1406
00:59:08,530 --> 00:59:06,480
maybe they were maybe they weren't

1407
00:59:11,990 --> 00:59:08,540
have those been

1408
00:59:13,069 --> 00:59:12,000
extensively scrutinized and examined to

1409
00:59:16,250 --> 00:59:13,079
rule out

1410
00:59:19,130 --> 00:59:16,260
uh any sort of psychological component

1411
00:59:20,030 --> 00:59:19,140
or illness or any sort of

1412
00:59:21,370 --> 00:59:20,040
um

1413
00:59:23,930 --> 00:59:21,380
uh

1414
00:59:26,750 --> 00:59:23,940
psychogenic type of causing of the

1415
00:59:29,329 --> 00:59:26,760
activity because I do think that for a

1416
00:59:31,370 --> 00:59:29,339
lot of these cases oh I have this in my

1417
00:59:34,250 --> 00:59:31,380
house I have that and they think it's

1418
00:59:36,309 --> 00:59:34,260
something extremely negative I think in

1419
00:59:39,349 --> 00:59:36,319
many percentages

1420
00:59:41,030 --> 00:59:39,359
they might be causing that type of

1421
00:59:43,970 --> 00:59:41,040
activity maybe there's a certain family

1422
00:59:47,630 --> 00:59:43,980
Dynamic maybe they have some negative

1423
00:59:50,210 --> 00:59:47,640
energy built like deep within that

1424
00:59:52,549 --> 00:59:50,220
they're projecting outward maybe it's

1425
00:59:55,309 --> 00:59:52,559
you know and I how many case requests

1426
00:59:58,370 --> 00:59:55,319
that that we get and there's so many

1427
01:00:00,470 --> 00:59:58,380
people writing saying oh my gosh I have

1428
01:00:02,450 --> 01:00:00,480
anxiety I have this I have a headache

1429
01:00:04,430 --> 01:00:02,460
I'm getting all these symptoms and

1430
01:00:06,650 --> 01:00:04,440
they're blaming they're blaming the

1431
01:00:08,329 --> 01:00:06,660
Paranormal for everything now maybe I'm

1432
01:00:11,390 --> 01:00:08,339
not saying that Paranormal Activity

1433
01:00:13,069 --> 01:00:11,400
can't you know contr or cause physical

1434
01:00:16,309 --> 01:00:13,079
symptoms and people are psychological

1435
01:00:19,069 --> 01:00:16,319
yeah it can but for most of these cases

1436
01:00:21,950 --> 01:00:19,079
a lot of people want to blame

1437
01:00:23,809 --> 01:00:21,960
all of their issues onto the Paranormal

1438
01:00:26,089 --> 01:00:23,819
up the ghost did it it's the ghost's

1439
01:00:29,690 --> 01:00:26,099
fault so you know there's all of this

1440
01:00:31,789 --> 01:00:29,700
there's so much involvement that I

1441
01:00:33,650 --> 01:00:31,799
really think in terms of the whole demon

1442
01:00:37,130 --> 01:00:33,660
thing there needs to be a team of people

1443
01:00:39,049 --> 01:00:37,140
that examine these people that are there

1444
01:00:40,549 --> 01:00:39,059
that have these sorts of experiences

1445
01:00:43,549 --> 01:00:40,559
because we just don't know if it's

1446
01:00:45,349 --> 01:00:43,559
influence are they causing it is it some

1447
01:00:47,690 --> 01:00:45,359
sort of you know psychokinetic thing we

1448
01:00:50,569 --> 01:00:47,700
don't know I don't know so

1449
01:00:52,549 --> 01:00:50,579
it's it's a uh it is a fascinating topic

1450
01:00:54,289 --> 01:00:52,559
I'm ready to go for another round of

1451
01:00:56,870 --> 01:00:54,299
questions so Deb fire away everybody

1452
01:00:58,730 --> 01:00:56,880
yeah I just I wanted comment on that

1453
01:01:01,010 --> 01:00:58,740
real quick if I can I just wanted to say

1454
01:01:03,530 --> 01:01:01,020
I feel like the same thing happens with

1455
01:01:06,770 --> 01:01:03,540
the UFO topic people are always turning

1456
01:01:09,490 --> 01:01:06,780
to the UFOs and saying please come fix

1457
01:01:11,930 --> 01:01:09,500
what we're doing wrong and I'm like how

1458
01:01:14,569 --> 01:01:11,940
about we you know take some

1459
01:01:16,670 --> 01:01:14,579
responsibility oh my God yeah you know

1460
01:01:21,130 --> 01:01:16,680
it's kind of ridiculous but I wanted to

1461
01:01:25,430 --> 01:01:21,140
talk about that's funny it's true yeah

1462
01:01:27,589 --> 01:01:25,440
it's crazy it's hard it's crazy so I

1463
01:01:31,789 --> 01:01:27,599
wanted to comment on something that is

1464
01:01:34,490 --> 01:01:31,799
shared on all of these topics of Bigfoot

1465
01:01:36,589 --> 01:01:34,500
science

1466
01:01:40,970 --> 01:01:36,599
um religion

1467
01:01:45,650 --> 01:01:40,980
um spiritual work and of course in the

1468
01:01:50,210 --> 01:01:45,660
UFOs it would be orbs right there oh so

1469
01:01:52,609 --> 01:01:50,220
yeah okay okay I wanted oh and and also

1470
01:01:54,710 --> 01:01:52,619
even fairy lore because orbs are like

1471
01:01:57,890 --> 01:01:54,720
little fairies to some people so I

1472
01:02:00,890 --> 01:01:57,900
wanted to comment on the fact that if

1473
01:02:04,490 --> 01:02:00,900
you are interested in UFOs

1474
01:02:06,710 --> 01:02:04,500
and you go and try a different branch of

1475
01:02:08,809 --> 01:02:06,720
the Paranormal you discover very quickly

1476
01:02:11,510 --> 01:02:08,819
that there are things like Spirit orbs

1477
01:02:13,789 --> 01:02:11,520
so of course it's like in the eye of the

1478
01:02:16,370 --> 01:02:13,799
beholder what you're dealing with so

1479
01:02:18,530 --> 01:02:16,380
what do you think people could learn if

1480
01:02:21,770 --> 01:02:18,540
they were more open-minded to studying

1481
01:02:23,390 --> 01:02:21,780
all of the topics like what are they

1482
01:02:26,809 --> 01:02:23,400
missing because they're not paying

1483
01:02:29,270 --> 01:02:26,819
attention to all of these topics at once

1484
01:02:31,670 --> 01:02:29,280
oh I just want to make sure let me let

1485
01:02:35,089 --> 01:02:31,680
me talk a little bit about orbs first so

1486
01:02:38,089 --> 01:02:35,099
orbs is a is a is a it's a fascinating

1487
01:02:39,710 --> 01:02:38,099
subject I mean all us in the in the

1488
01:02:43,250 --> 01:02:39,720
Paranormal Community most of us are like

1489
01:02:44,870 --> 01:02:43,260
oh yeah you know 99.9 of orbs oh yeah

1490
01:02:46,549 --> 01:02:44,880
can be explained away you know they're

1491
01:02:48,410 --> 01:02:46,559
mostly cause with digital cameras and

1492
01:02:50,510 --> 01:02:48,420
things of that nature oh it's dust it

1493
01:02:52,809 --> 01:02:50,520
could be moisture it could be bugs it

1494
01:02:56,210 --> 01:02:52,819
could be things of lens flares whatever

1495
01:02:58,970 --> 01:02:56,220
so yes most orbs especially if you are

1496
01:03:01,549 --> 01:02:58,980
using a digital camera and you produce

1497
01:03:03,530 --> 01:03:01,559
orbs on your camera most OP most likely

1498
01:03:05,390 --> 01:03:03,540
it can be explained away there's the

1499
01:03:07,190 --> 01:03:05,400
little gr I can't even tell you how many

1500
01:03:09,589 --> 01:03:07,200
pictures that I've had emailed to me

1501
01:03:11,809 --> 01:03:09,599
from iPhone pictures with the little

1502
01:03:13,730 --> 01:03:11,819
green dot okay no it's it's a glitch

1503
01:03:16,549 --> 01:03:13,740
with the iPhone it's not a ghost it's

1504
01:03:19,490 --> 01:03:16,559
nothing like that now now if someone

1505
01:03:22,130 --> 01:03:19,500
visually sees orbs let's say they're out

1506
01:03:24,230 --> 01:03:22,140
at a site and they visually with their

1507
01:03:25,089 --> 01:03:24,240
own eyes see something coming out of the

1508
01:03:28,490 --> 01:03:25,099
wall

1509
01:03:31,549 --> 01:03:28,500
or uh self-illuminated right in front of

1510
01:03:34,069 --> 01:03:31,559
them then uh yeah that that could be

1511
01:03:36,410 --> 01:03:34,079
interesting so what I look for in orbs

1512
01:03:39,109 --> 01:03:36,420
even and I'm not saying that some orbs

1513
01:03:40,670 --> 01:03:39,119
and pictures might not be orbs I just

1514
01:03:43,309 --> 01:03:40,680
think most of them can obviously be

1515
01:03:46,670 --> 01:03:43,319
explained away but uh some of the

1516
01:03:49,190 --> 01:03:46,680
telltale signs that it might not be you

1517
01:03:51,829 --> 01:03:49,200
know something logical or natural is is

1518
01:03:54,589 --> 01:03:51,839
it is it self-illuminated in other words

1519
01:03:57,589 --> 01:03:54,599
it's not being illuminated by The Flash

1520
01:04:00,230 --> 01:03:57,599
or the camera the camera things of that

1521
01:04:03,650 --> 01:04:00,240
nature does it have some sort of 3d

1522
01:04:06,470 --> 01:04:03,660
effect is it moving in some sort of

1523
01:04:08,270 --> 01:04:06,480
intelligent flight pattern so is it if

1524
01:04:10,250 --> 01:04:08,280
it's a linear pattern most likely it

1525
01:04:12,530 --> 01:04:10,260
could be you know the way that the air

1526
01:04:14,210 --> 01:04:12,540
is blowing in your house if you have a

1527
01:04:15,890 --> 01:04:14,220
window open it's going to go in that

1528
01:04:18,770 --> 01:04:15,900
fashion of the current and follow that

1529
01:04:21,530 --> 01:04:18,780
but if it's some sort of erratic flight

1530
01:04:23,329 --> 01:04:21,540
pattern then that maybe could be some

1531
01:04:25,010 --> 01:04:23,339
people see faces that are very

1532
01:04:28,010 --> 01:04:25,020
identifiable

1533
01:04:31,670 --> 01:04:28,020
other people see uh numbers I've seen

1534
01:04:33,710 --> 01:04:31,680
orbs with numbers in it so it's just

1535
01:04:35,750 --> 01:04:33,720
it's a Nifty situation I just think most

1536
01:04:37,609 --> 01:04:35,760
of those can be explained so just a

1537
01:04:40,430 --> 01:04:37,619
little note on that I have seen visual

1538
01:04:42,230 --> 01:04:40,440
orbs with my own eye and those those are

1539
01:04:45,890 --> 01:04:42,240
quite interesting and the ones that I've

1540
01:04:48,289 --> 01:04:45,900
seen are very self-illuminated almost

1541
01:04:50,210 --> 01:04:48,299
almost as bright as if you look up in

1542
01:04:51,770 --> 01:04:50,220
the sun obviously not quite but almost

1543
01:04:53,930 --> 01:04:51,780
as bright as if you look up in the Sun

1544
01:04:56,750 --> 01:04:53,940
so really interesting when that happens

1545
01:04:58,730 --> 01:04:56,760
so the second part of your question can

1546
01:05:02,390 --> 01:04:58,740
you ask it again because I I'm not sure

1547
01:05:04,430 --> 01:05:02,400
I understand it so or forgotten yeah I

1548
01:05:07,250 --> 01:05:04,440
was trying to say that all all of these

1549
01:05:11,150 --> 01:05:07,260
topics talk about orbs and by the way

1550
01:05:13,010 --> 01:05:11,160
for scientists it's ball lightning but

1551
01:05:15,890 --> 01:05:13,020
um right for those who are not aware

1552
01:05:18,829 --> 01:05:15,900
they call it or whatever right but I

1553
01:05:21,950 --> 01:05:18,839
just I want to know if people are

1554
01:05:24,049 --> 01:05:21,960
looking into this you know us an aspect

1555
01:05:26,510 --> 01:05:24,059
of this but they're not looking at all

1556
01:05:29,270 --> 01:05:26,520
of these different areas they're missing

1557
01:05:32,450 --> 01:05:29,280
out a big part of the story like for

1558
01:05:35,270 --> 01:05:32,460
instance the orbs so they're for the

1559
01:05:37,910 --> 01:05:35,280
spiritual area there's stories about

1560
01:05:41,210 --> 01:05:37,920
like ghost roads where orbs follow

1561
01:05:43,970 --> 01:05:41,220
people yes so I feel like people who

1562
01:05:46,069 --> 01:05:43,980
study UFOs should know that like they're

1563
01:05:47,690 --> 01:05:46,079
that it's they're missing something so

1564
01:05:50,030 --> 01:05:47,700
what do you think people could learn

1565
01:05:53,809 --> 01:05:50,040
from studying all these areas

1566
01:05:56,569 --> 01:05:53,819
so I I there's so many similarities with

1567
01:05:57,950 --> 01:05:56,579
uh cross researching and

1568
01:06:01,309 --> 01:05:57,960
cross-investigating these different

1569
01:06:03,710 --> 01:06:01,319
areas and so for example maybe you are

1570
01:06:06,410 --> 01:06:03,720
looking at something into ufology and

1571
01:06:09,170 --> 01:06:06,420
maybe you that answer whatever you

1572
01:06:10,730 --> 01:06:09,180
experience or encounter or research that

1573
01:06:14,030 --> 01:06:10,740
you're doing you may uncover something

1574
01:06:17,329 --> 01:06:14,040
that can be applicable to maybe uh

1575
01:06:20,150 --> 01:06:17,339
cryptozoology or or you know the ghosts

1576
01:06:23,930 --> 01:06:20,160
and spirits realm hauntings things of

1577
01:06:26,510 --> 01:06:23,940
that nature so I think it's a benefit to

1578
01:06:31,730 --> 01:06:26,520
to research all of the different areas

1579
01:06:35,150 --> 01:06:31,740
and try to uh put together a list of

1580
01:06:37,069 --> 01:06:35,160
either uh I wouldn't say no necessarily

1581
01:06:40,190 --> 01:06:37,079
maybe because we obviously don't know

1582
01:06:42,589 --> 01:06:40,200
100 of all of this but put together a

1583
01:06:45,410 --> 01:06:42,599
list of some of the parallels and

1584
01:06:47,809 --> 01:06:45,420
similarities between all of these fields

1585
01:06:51,470 --> 01:06:47,819
and then obviously you can make a list

1586
01:06:53,270 --> 01:06:51,480
as well of some of the differences so I

1587
01:06:55,670 --> 01:06:53,280
I think that that's extremely important

1588
01:06:58,490 --> 01:06:55,680
but I mean yeah it's the whole concept

1589
01:07:00,589 --> 01:06:58,500
of orbs I mean people should know that

1590
01:07:02,510 --> 01:07:00,599
okay well it could be it could be a

1591
01:07:04,190 --> 01:07:02,520
spirit it could be a ghost it could be a

1592
01:07:08,210 --> 01:07:04,200
spook light it could be some sort of

1593
01:07:11,230 --> 01:07:08,220
swamp gas it could be lights from a UFO

1594
01:07:14,210 --> 01:07:11,240
whatever you know there's the whole uh

1595
01:07:16,490 --> 01:07:14,220
people see sometimes on train tracks

1596
01:07:18,770 --> 01:07:16,500
they might see for example the the

1597
01:07:22,069 --> 01:07:18,780
Phantom Lantern of the train conductor

1598
01:07:24,950 --> 01:07:22,079
who maybe had his head sadly decapitated

1599
01:07:26,930 --> 01:07:24,960
and you see that residual impression of

1600
01:07:29,029 --> 01:07:26,940
the lantern or you know or some sort of

1601
01:07:31,309 --> 01:07:29,039
ball of light kind of swaying back back

1602
01:07:33,470 --> 01:07:31,319
and forth so you know it crosses over

1603
01:07:34,910 --> 01:07:33,480
into these other fields I hope I hope I

1604
01:07:37,069 --> 01:07:34,920
answered it I know that's a that's a

1605
01:07:39,230 --> 01:07:37,079
really good question though I I will

1606
01:07:41,390 --> 01:07:39,240
think about that yeah I was going to say

1607
01:07:43,789 --> 01:07:41,400
one of one of the things that came to

1608
01:07:45,829 --> 01:07:43,799
mind when I was one of the next question

1609
01:07:48,049 --> 01:07:45,839
came to mind was that you know people

1610
01:07:50,870 --> 01:07:48,059
could try using the Spirit box with

1611
01:07:53,390 --> 01:07:50,880
non-human intelligence or Bigfoot not

1612
01:07:55,609 --> 01:07:53,400
just not just spirit so that's exactly

1613
01:07:57,589 --> 01:07:55,619
why I was asking that like who's tried

1614
01:08:00,470 --> 01:07:57,599
that I've not heard that at all everyone

1615
01:08:02,450 --> 01:08:00,480
channels in all of these topics everyone

1616
01:08:04,549 --> 01:08:02,460
is trying to channel but is everyone

1617
01:08:06,770 --> 01:08:04,559
using the same tools wouldn't it be

1618
01:08:09,529 --> 01:08:06,780
helpful if we put our heads together and

1619
01:08:11,390 --> 01:08:09,539
did that that's that's a whole point

1620
01:08:13,190 --> 01:08:11,400
that is such a good point and not I'm

1621
01:08:16,189 --> 01:08:13,200
not every Gadget or piece of equipment

1622
01:08:18,470 --> 01:08:16,199
is going to be necessarily applicable I

1623
01:08:20,090 --> 01:08:18,480
I I'm and this is I'm just not going to

1624
01:08:21,950 --> 01:08:20,100
talk too long on this I'll just say it's

1625
01:08:23,450 --> 01:08:21,960
my opinion I could be a billionaire and

1626
01:08:25,789 --> 01:08:23,460
I still wouldn't own all the gadgets

1627
01:08:30,410 --> 01:08:25,799
that are out there today I think less is

1628
01:08:32,090 --> 01:08:30,420
more and us our helps our human senses

1629
01:08:34,789 --> 01:08:32,100
and our energy we are the there's no

1630
01:08:37,970 --> 01:08:34,799
such thing as a ghost detector and so we

1631
01:08:40,070 --> 01:08:37,980
are our best I guess sense and piece of

1632
01:08:41,390 --> 01:08:40,080
equipment out there so but anyways sorry

1633
01:08:43,130 --> 01:08:41,400
you were gonna say were you going to say

1634
01:08:46,910 --> 01:08:43,140
something no I was going to say I'll ask

1635
01:08:49,189 --> 01:08:46,920
Kathy Westerman of um she's out of Ocala

1636
01:08:52,189 --> 01:08:49,199
I saw her do the dowsing rods out in the

1637
01:08:53,930 --> 01:08:52,199
forest uh when we're looking for bigfoot

1638
01:08:56,450 --> 01:08:53,940
um she was a Paranormal Investigator

1639
01:08:58,430 --> 01:08:56,460
prior so she has some equipment so I'll

1640
01:08:59,689 --> 01:08:58,440
ask her if she's tried any of that

1641
01:09:01,610 --> 01:08:59,699
um she does have a pretty damn good

1642
01:09:04,789 --> 01:09:01,620
photo but what I wanted to tell you

1643
01:09:07,729 --> 01:09:04,799
Nicole before we go to Nathan is that

1644
01:09:10,849 --> 01:09:07,739
I have heard not one two or three I've

1645
01:09:13,370 --> 01:09:10,859
heard dozens of Bigfoot experiencers

1646
01:09:15,289 --> 01:09:13,380
these are the people that go you know in

1647
01:09:18,229 --> 01:09:15,299
some cases quite deep into the forest

1648
01:09:21,229 --> 01:09:18,239
miles off the from the trailhead they

1649
01:09:24,769 --> 01:09:21,239
camp and have had orb experiences where

1650
01:09:26,990 --> 01:09:24,779
you can rule out a lot of the prosaic

1651
01:09:29,870 --> 01:09:27,000
explanations for lights that we might

1652
01:09:32,390 --> 01:09:29,880
experience in Suburbia you know or in

1653
01:09:34,249 --> 01:09:32,400
the city even so I mean you're out there

1654
01:09:37,070 --> 01:09:34,259
in the pitch black forest and you see

1655
01:09:40,130 --> 01:09:37,080
something glowing red oh man I mean if

1656
01:09:43,010 --> 01:09:40,140
you watch missing 4-1-1 the hunted

1657
01:09:45,709 --> 01:09:43,020
um and you get to uh the fourth story on

1658
01:09:47,829 --> 01:09:45,719
there about Ron Moorhead and and his

1659
01:09:50,510 --> 01:09:47,839
guys up there in that camp in California

1660
01:09:52,309 --> 01:09:50,520
where they see not only orbs they see

1661
01:09:55,550 --> 01:09:52,319
something that looks like a lightsaber

1662
01:09:56,990 --> 01:09:55,560
flowing through the forest I mean that

1663
01:09:59,209 --> 01:09:57,000
just gave me chills just watching the

1664
01:10:01,070 --> 01:09:59,219
reenactment of that so but that's a fact

1665
01:10:04,430 --> 01:10:01,080
to make a long story short yeah people

1666
01:10:06,470 --> 01:10:04,440
are seeing orbs in places where it's not

1667
01:10:08,330 --> 01:10:06,480
quite is easy to explain away because

1668
01:10:11,270 --> 01:10:08,340
one of the things about being the force

1669
01:10:12,590 --> 01:10:11,280
is it is dark when you have a good

1670
01:10:14,990 --> 01:10:12,600
canopy over your head and you're out

1671
01:10:18,410 --> 01:10:15,000
there at night it's dark so yeah let me

1672
01:10:20,209 --> 01:10:18,420
go to uh money Nathan and uh and I'll

1673
01:10:21,830 --> 01:10:20,219
get one more and then if if there's any

1674
01:10:23,209 --> 01:10:21,840
final hits and then we'll we'll do cat

1675
01:10:24,890 --> 01:10:23,219
Big Boss

1676
01:10:26,209 --> 01:10:24,900
yeah sounds good

1677
01:10:28,790 --> 01:10:26,219
um you know one of the things we've

1678
01:10:30,770 --> 01:10:28,800
talked about uh in on our show and you

1679
01:10:32,750 --> 01:10:30,780
know in our private conversation as well

1680
01:10:34,970 --> 01:10:32,760
is kind of how lucky we are in the UFO

1681
01:10:37,130 --> 01:10:34,980
Community to have the government now

1682
01:10:41,510 --> 01:10:37,140
officially taking it seriously or being

1683
01:10:44,689 --> 01:10:41,520
more open about UFOs and uaps and I know

1684
01:10:47,649 --> 01:10:44,699
that in the history of the Paranormal uh

1685
01:10:52,970 --> 01:10:47,659
many of our kind of notable

1686
01:10:55,189 --> 01:10:52,980
uh like government figures or no notable

1687
01:10:57,110 --> 01:10:55,199
scientists from the 19th century were

1688
01:10:59,330 --> 01:10:57,120
really into the Paranormal like uh

1689
01:11:01,729 --> 01:10:59,340
mediums were really a huge thing back

1690
01:11:04,490 --> 01:11:01,739
then yeah uh seances and that kind of

1691
01:11:07,130 --> 01:11:04,500
thing and I'm just curious uh you know

1692
01:11:10,550 --> 01:11:07,140
in the Paranormal Community

1693
01:11:12,950 --> 01:11:10,560
um is there any uh you know both maybe

1694
01:11:15,470 --> 01:11:12,960
frustration but are there any signs of

1695
01:11:18,950 --> 01:11:15,480
hope that from a larger kind of

1696
01:11:21,709 --> 01:11:18,960
consensus uh perspective that that

1697
01:11:23,810 --> 01:11:21,719
Paranormal Activity is getting it being

1698
01:11:25,850 --> 01:11:23,820
taken more seriously in the way that you

1699
01:11:27,130 --> 01:11:25,860
know UFOs are are now kind of having

1700
01:11:29,810 --> 01:11:27,140
their day

1701
01:11:32,990 --> 01:11:29,820
yeah that's an excellent question I

1702
01:11:35,750 --> 01:11:33,000
think again you have to

1703
01:11:37,790 --> 01:11:35,760
who who you're talking to and what what

1704
01:11:41,209 --> 01:11:37,800
their involvement is in the field if

1705
01:11:43,970 --> 01:11:41,219
you're talking to a dedicated uh veteran

1706
01:11:45,470 --> 01:11:43,980
researcher who spends the time to do all

1707
01:11:47,689 --> 01:11:45,480
the different types of research and in

1708
01:11:49,910 --> 01:11:47,699
the Paranormal uh they might have a

1709
01:11:51,950 --> 01:11:49,920
different answer versus someone that you

1710
01:11:54,110 --> 01:11:51,960
know is maybe new to the field or just

1711
01:11:56,090 --> 01:11:54,120
in it for you know Thrills and chills

1712
01:12:01,310 --> 01:11:56,100
and they don't care about anything else

1713
01:12:03,950 --> 01:12:01,320
so uh the people like myself and and and

1714
01:12:07,490 --> 01:12:03,960
and you guys in in the in the folks in

1715
01:12:10,430 --> 01:12:07,500
the chat that uh take this seriously and

1716
01:12:12,169 --> 01:12:10,440
really want to try to do to dig into to

1717
01:12:13,970 --> 01:12:12,179
the discoveries if there are any

1718
01:12:16,189 --> 01:12:13,980
hopefully there will be more discoveries

1719
01:12:20,090 --> 01:12:16,199
in the future uh

1720
01:12:24,169 --> 01:12:20,100
yeah I I I do see people taking it more

1721
01:12:26,209 --> 01:12:24,179
serious and wanting to uh

1722
01:12:29,090 --> 01:12:26,219
really try to dig in and see if there

1723
01:12:31,189 --> 01:12:29,100
you know we can uh discover some answers

1724
01:12:34,310 --> 01:12:31,199
to it or maybe more theories or things

1725
01:12:37,610 --> 01:12:34,320
of that that nature and that's it kind

1726
01:12:39,709 --> 01:12:37,620
of parallels to the whole researching

1727
01:12:42,229 --> 01:12:39,719
all the different subtopics of the

1728
01:12:44,149 --> 01:12:42,239
Paranormal as well and and Consulting

1729
01:12:46,610 --> 01:12:44,159
with those in the you know the ufology

1730
01:12:49,189 --> 01:12:46,620
community or the cryptozoology community

1731
01:12:51,470 --> 01:12:49,199
and and hearing what they have to say so

1732
01:12:53,630 --> 01:12:51,480
uh and to answer your question yeah but

1733
01:12:56,090 --> 01:12:53,640
it's the P the people that are going to

1734
01:12:57,709 --> 01:12:56,100
give you a more uh I think honest answer

1735
01:12:59,510 --> 01:12:57,719
are that are the ones that are really

1736
01:13:00,890 --> 01:12:59,520
really devoted to the field and then

1737
01:13:02,450 --> 01:13:00,900
those that are just kind of in it were

1738
01:13:04,729 --> 01:13:02,460
oh I just want to go walk around a

1739
01:13:07,550 --> 01:13:04,739
cemetery at night and just see if I can

1740
01:13:11,750 --> 01:13:07,560
see a ghost and that's it probably won't

1741
01:13:15,110 --> 01:13:11,760
have that deeper observation that uh

1742
01:13:17,930 --> 01:13:15,120
us will have if that makes sense

1743
01:13:20,270 --> 01:13:17,940
great thank you

1744
01:13:22,729 --> 01:13:20,280
um so I have a friend our friend here

1745
01:13:25,189 --> 01:13:22,739
Scott gearen is here

1746
01:13:28,490 --> 01:13:25,199
um he has some some real good UFO videos

1747
01:13:31,970 --> 01:13:28,500
and by the way his place in in in in in

1748
01:13:33,470 --> 01:13:31,980
in Minnesota uh Nicole he showed us

1749
01:13:35,630 --> 01:13:33,480
Bigfoot tracks

1750
01:13:37,189 --> 01:13:35,640
uh and there was I don't know how many

1751
01:13:38,870 --> 01:13:37,199
feet of snow were in his yard but

1752
01:13:41,330 --> 01:13:38,880
probably about four because this Ford

1753
01:13:43,030 --> 01:13:41,340
Raptor looked like it was half buried oh

1754
01:13:46,189 --> 01:13:43,040
my God

1755
01:13:49,070 --> 01:13:46,199
yeah he lives near like a state forest

1756
01:13:52,189 --> 01:13:49,080
uh his property is that one of those

1757
01:13:54,290 --> 01:13:52,199
right he has a Bigfoot how

1758
01:13:56,090 --> 01:13:54,300
um that associated with the video it's

1759
01:13:58,550 --> 01:13:56,100
like him walking outside his house and

1760
01:14:01,610 --> 01:13:58,560
you hear you know I can't even oh my God

1761
01:14:03,590 --> 01:14:01,620
that's amazing it's a it's a it's an

1762
01:14:05,630 --> 01:14:03,600
awesome howl and then he has some tracks

1763
01:14:07,850 --> 01:14:05,640
so here's Scott gearen's question for

1764
01:14:10,490 --> 01:14:07,860
you have any orbs set off any motion

1765
01:14:12,709 --> 01:14:10,500
detectors on your cameras good good

1766
01:14:16,189 --> 01:14:12,719
question so on on the investigations

1767
01:14:18,950 --> 01:14:16,199
that we've done no actually no we have

1768
01:14:21,350 --> 01:14:18,960
not had any of those we actually had an

1769
01:14:23,390 --> 01:14:21,360
interesting private residence case oh I

1770
01:14:26,270 --> 01:14:23,400
would say about maybe eight years ago

1771
01:14:28,490 --> 01:14:26,280
and so this woman she lives up in

1772
01:14:29,870 --> 01:14:28,500
Fallbrook and she had this large home

1773
01:14:33,050 --> 01:14:29,880
and it was used

1774
01:14:35,689 --> 01:14:33,060
um kind of as a a caretaker facility and

1775
01:14:38,450 --> 01:14:35,699
so she had all these different you know

1776
01:14:40,430 --> 01:14:38,460
IR surveillance cameras and so she kept

1777
01:14:42,410 --> 01:14:40,440
seeing these orbs and so she contacted

1778
01:14:45,110 --> 01:14:42,420
us and we were able to determine that

1779
01:14:46,850 --> 01:14:45,120
you know most of the orbs are are caused

1780
01:14:49,070 --> 01:14:46,860
by you know certain things dust and

1781
01:14:51,350 --> 01:14:49,080
things of that nature and we even

1782
01:14:52,970 --> 01:14:51,360
replicated an experiment for her that

1783
01:14:55,070 --> 01:14:52,980
she could do by turning on her phone

1784
01:14:56,750 --> 01:14:55,080
light and looking at the little specks

1785
01:14:58,729 --> 01:14:56,760
of dust and things of that nature we

1786
01:15:01,790 --> 01:14:58,739
even watched the camera with her and we

1787
01:15:04,310 --> 01:15:01,800
were pointing out and explaining what

1788
01:15:06,590 --> 01:15:04,320
those are on her camera but no I've

1789
01:15:08,530 --> 01:15:06,600
never actually had any case where we've

1790
01:15:11,390 --> 01:15:08,540
actually where it's actually set off

1791
01:15:13,430 --> 01:15:11,400
anything that I know that I know I know

1792
01:15:15,770 --> 01:15:13,440
because it would be on video now I mean

1793
01:15:16,970 --> 01:15:15,780
we've had motion detectors going off but

1794
01:15:19,430 --> 01:15:16,980
uh

1795
01:15:21,649 --> 01:15:19,440
specifically on video now that's a good

1796
01:15:23,570 --> 01:15:21,659
question that'd be really cool man if

1797
01:15:25,130 --> 01:15:23,580
that happened that would be that'd be

1798
01:15:27,950 --> 01:15:25,140
interesting to get something like that

1799
01:15:30,050 --> 01:15:27,960
on camera and then have that you know

1800
01:15:32,750 --> 01:15:30,060
security alarm going off and things like

1801
01:15:34,310 --> 01:15:32,760
that or motion sensor alarm going off I

1802
01:15:36,229 --> 01:15:34,320
mean that's two pieces right there of

1803
01:15:38,750 --> 01:15:36,239
the puzzle that connect right

1804
01:15:41,450 --> 01:15:38,760
so that's it man yep

1805
01:15:44,209 --> 01:15:41,460
um I was going to ask you

1806
01:15:45,709 --> 01:15:44,219
um is there a when you're on an

1807
01:15:47,030 --> 01:15:45,719
investigation I actually have two

1808
01:15:48,950 --> 01:15:47,040
questions for you but let's get the

1809
01:15:51,590 --> 01:15:48,960
first one out of the way when you're on

1810
01:15:54,350 --> 01:15:51,600
on an investigation is there a moment

1811
01:15:56,209 --> 01:15:54,360
when you say I'm done or I got to get

1812
01:15:58,310 --> 01:15:56,219
out of here is there a a certain

1813
01:16:00,169 --> 01:15:58,320
circumstance or or feeling that you get

1814
01:16:01,490 --> 01:16:00,179
when you're like okay it's time to close

1815
01:16:06,770 --> 01:16:01,500
up shop

1816
01:16:08,930 --> 01:16:06,780
yes uh two instances so if we as the

1817
01:16:10,729 --> 01:16:08,940
investigators are really starting to

1818
01:16:14,390 --> 01:16:10,739
feel physically tired and mentally

1819
01:16:16,610 --> 01:16:14,400
drained after you know four hours

1820
01:16:17,870 --> 01:16:16,620
because it's intense going in there I

1821
01:16:19,970 --> 01:16:17,880
mean doing these eight hour

1822
01:16:24,050 --> 01:16:19,980
investigations case studies are better

1823
01:16:26,510 --> 01:16:24,060
because you have a time over the course

1824
01:16:28,610 --> 01:16:26,520
of weeks or months to really research

1825
01:16:30,530 --> 01:16:28,620
that location but if you're granted an

1826
01:16:32,689 --> 01:16:30,540
opportunity to do like an eight hour or

1827
01:16:34,370 --> 01:16:32,699
four hour that's fine too but really

1828
01:16:36,890 --> 01:16:34,380
what can you tell

1829
01:16:38,510 --> 01:16:36,900
just from those that short amount of

1830
01:16:41,689 --> 01:16:38,520
time not really much of anything really

1831
01:16:44,450 --> 01:16:41,699
but yeah so if we're tired uh physically

1832
01:16:47,030 --> 01:16:44,460
or mentally uh that's a time to call it

1833
01:16:50,390 --> 01:16:47,040
sorry my clock's going off but also if

1834
01:16:52,669 --> 01:16:50,400
we're getting the vibe or general

1835
01:16:56,930 --> 01:16:52,679
um impression from the energies there

1836
01:17:00,350 --> 01:16:56,940
that they're done absolutely if if if we

1837
01:17:03,470 --> 01:17:00,360
go in and we ask is it okay that we're

1838
01:17:05,750 --> 01:17:03,480
here and and we get a concrete

1839
01:17:08,169 --> 01:17:05,760
definitive answer of no

1840
01:17:10,850 --> 01:17:08,179
we will most likely leave

1841
01:17:12,590 --> 01:17:10,860
or if it's just sometimes if it's like

1842
01:17:14,990 --> 01:17:12,600
is it okay if we talk to you right now

1843
01:17:16,610 --> 01:17:15,000
and they say no well maybe we'll just

1844
01:17:18,410 --> 01:17:16,620
switch to doing a vigil or something

1845
01:17:21,110 --> 01:17:18,420
like that but there have been a couple

1846
01:17:22,090 --> 01:17:21,120
of times where we've received some

1847
01:17:25,430 --> 01:17:22,100
really

1848
01:17:27,530 --> 01:17:25,440
uh compelling answers of no on you know

1849
01:17:30,050 --> 01:17:27,540
like we just can feel it they don't want

1850
01:17:31,550 --> 01:17:30,060
us there and so then we'll leave so yeah

1851
01:17:35,090 --> 01:17:31,560
good question

1852
01:17:37,490 --> 01:17:35,100
we have uh about 12 minutes left uh is

1853
01:17:39,649 --> 01:17:37,500
there an investigation that comes to

1854
01:17:42,530 --> 01:17:39,659
mind that you would like to tell us

1855
01:17:44,450 --> 01:17:42,540
about that that uh probably would scare

1856
01:17:46,010 --> 01:17:44,460
the hell out of us or something no but

1857
01:17:48,350 --> 01:17:46,020
honestly just anyone that you would want

1858
01:17:50,270 --> 01:17:48,360
to tell us about oh my gosh well there's

1859
01:17:52,310 --> 01:17:50,280
so many but I'm gonna I'm gonna share

1860
01:17:54,550 --> 01:17:52,320
this because it touches on some very

1861
01:17:58,250 --> 01:17:54,560
important elements that are sometimes

1862
01:18:00,050 --> 01:17:58,260
overlooked so this was 2010 and so of

1863
01:18:02,450 --> 01:18:00,060
course I'm in San Diego California and

1864
01:18:05,570 --> 01:18:02,460
so Oceanside is about 30 minutes north

1865
01:18:07,790 --> 01:18:05,580
there is a known restaurant up there

1866
01:18:09,470 --> 01:18:07,800
called Hunter Steakhouse and it's

1867
01:18:11,030 --> 01:18:09,480
actually built over a Native American

1868
01:18:14,390 --> 01:18:11,040
burial ground

1869
01:18:15,830 --> 01:18:14,400
uh and I believe I believe the if gosh I

1870
01:18:18,110 --> 01:18:15,840
have the history of it in one of my

1871
01:18:20,990 --> 01:18:18,120
books but I believe that some of the the

1872
01:18:22,550 --> 01:18:21,000
the graves were were desecrated in the

1873
01:18:24,709 --> 01:18:22,560
building of the freeway and things of

1874
01:18:27,350 --> 01:18:24,719
that nature so we were there one night

1875
01:18:30,130 --> 01:18:27,360
and we had broken up into teams of two

1876
01:18:32,930 --> 01:18:30,140
so three and three one team was upstairs

1877
01:18:34,850 --> 01:18:32,940
another team was downstairs in the bar

1878
01:18:38,110 --> 01:18:34,860
area that was that was

1879
01:18:42,290 --> 01:18:38,120
um my group and so we were about an hour

1880
01:18:43,910 --> 01:18:42,300
or so into the investigation when all of

1881
01:18:46,729 --> 01:18:43,920
a sudden and then you have your two-way

1882
01:18:49,130 --> 01:18:46,739
radios so one of the investigators from

1883
01:18:50,810 --> 01:18:49,140
upstairs radio down to us saying stay

1884
01:18:52,070 --> 01:18:50,820
where you are this place has just been

1885
01:18:54,530 --> 01:18:52,080
robbed

1886
01:18:57,050 --> 01:18:54,540
so of course we're like all right we

1887
01:18:58,729 --> 01:18:57,060
just sat there quietly and we found out

1888
01:19:00,709 --> 01:18:58,739
that you know the cops came on the

1889
01:19:02,810 --> 01:19:00,719
premises uh oh my gosh it was a big

1890
01:19:05,810 --> 01:19:02,820
thing like three or four cops there was

1891
01:19:09,050 --> 01:19:05,820
a helicopter flying overhead I guess two

1892
01:19:11,930 --> 01:19:09,060
armed men came through the kitchen and

1893
01:19:14,209 --> 01:19:11,940
so they had guns and everything so that

1894
01:19:16,669 --> 01:19:14,219
was scary luckily you know nothing

1895
01:19:19,010 --> 01:19:16,679
happened to us or anything but it's it

1896
01:19:22,790 --> 01:19:19,020
brings up two points here one always

1897
01:19:24,770 --> 01:19:22,800
have some sort of of emergency plan uh

1898
01:19:27,649 --> 01:19:24,780
set in place

1899
01:19:29,689 --> 01:19:27,659
um also your your permission form and

1900
01:19:32,750 --> 01:19:29,699
your liability waiver make sure you have

1901
01:19:34,310 --> 01:19:32,760
that signed by the manager their owner

1902
01:19:36,169 --> 01:19:34,320
whoever whatever place you're

1903
01:19:38,270 --> 01:19:36,179
investigating have that because the cops

1904
01:19:40,250 --> 01:19:38,280
we showed them that and we explained who

1905
01:19:42,530 --> 01:19:40,260
we were and they just had us stay there

1906
01:19:45,410 --> 01:19:42,540
in case they needed to question us they

1907
01:19:47,630 --> 01:19:45,420
didn't and they let us go but yeah so I

1908
01:19:49,490 --> 01:19:47,640
have those emergency place or plans set

1909
01:19:51,890 --> 01:19:49,500
in place whether it's for earthquakes or

1910
01:19:54,950 --> 01:19:51,900
fires or injuries

1911
01:19:56,689 --> 01:19:54,960
um have P at least one or two people on

1912
01:19:59,750 --> 01:19:56,699
the team specifically

1913
01:20:01,910 --> 01:19:59,760
any every let's say you have a group of

1914
01:20:03,770 --> 01:20:01,920
five or ten doesn't matter at least one

1915
01:20:06,770 --> 01:20:03,780
person that comes on the investigation

1916
01:20:08,570 --> 01:20:06,780
out of the entire team should be CPR and

1917
01:20:10,370 --> 01:20:08,580
BLS certified

1918
01:20:12,590 --> 01:20:10,380
you know I've heard cases one of my

1919
01:20:14,209 --> 01:20:12,600
friends actually was on an investigation

1920
01:20:17,149 --> 01:20:14,219
at night and she tripped and broke her

1921
01:20:19,490 --> 01:20:17,159
ankle so survey these locations in the

1922
01:20:21,950 --> 01:20:19,500
daylight where you can see and map out

1923
01:20:23,750 --> 01:20:21,960
the place and kind of notate possible

1924
01:20:26,270 --> 01:20:23,760
you know dangerous spots and things of

1925
01:20:29,030 --> 01:20:26,280
that nature but that was scary I mean we

1926
01:20:30,830 --> 01:20:29,040
were lucky man yeah I mean that's that's

1927
01:20:33,649 --> 01:20:30,840
like unheard of you don't hear about

1928
01:20:35,030 --> 01:20:33,659
that too often but my gosh so

1929
01:20:37,550 --> 01:20:35,040
I thought you were going to say the

1930
01:20:40,270 --> 01:20:37,560
robbers were ghosts but uh Deb said do

1931
01:20:43,310 --> 01:20:40,280
you have anything final for Miss Nicole

1932
01:20:46,130 --> 01:20:43,320
I wish they were Michael

1933
01:20:48,890 --> 01:20:46,140
actually I've I was really curious um

1934
01:20:51,890 --> 01:20:48,900
going back to Leslie Kane's work um she

1935
01:20:54,470 --> 01:20:51,900
spoke about physical evidence

1936
01:20:57,290 --> 01:20:54,480
um on like a plasma almost that some

1937
01:20:59,090 --> 01:20:57,300
mediums were able to emit oh and since

1938
01:21:00,770 --> 01:20:59,100
you've done so much work on this I'm

1939
01:21:01,669 --> 01:21:00,780
wondering if you've heard anything about

1940
01:21:04,189 --> 01:21:01,679
that

1941
01:21:05,689 --> 01:21:04,199
are you talking about like the ectoplasm

1942
01:21:07,669 --> 01:21:05,699
like during the spiritualist movement

1943
01:21:10,010 --> 01:21:07,679
yes yeah oh gosh the spiritualist

1944
01:21:14,810 --> 01:21:10,020
movement is so fascinating and it was

1945
01:21:17,330 --> 01:21:14,820
also uh seeped in fraud as well so uh a

1946
01:21:22,310 --> 01:21:17,340
lot of the said ectoplasm that these

1947
01:21:24,590 --> 01:21:22,320
female mediums were said to produce gosh

1948
01:21:26,689 --> 01:21:24,600
they found out that it was it was like

1949
01:21:28,550 --> 01:21:26,699
cheese cloth and all these various

1950
01:21:31,790 --> 01:21:28,560
different substances

1951
01:21:33,590 --> 01:21:31,800
uh that they use to to fake this sort of

1952
01:21:35,750 --> 01:21:33,600
thing so

1953
01:21:38,330 --> 01:21:35,760
um yeah the spiritualist movement I

1954
01:21:40,189 --> 01:21:38,340
think in many ways it fueled modern day

1955
01:21:43,070 --> 01:21:40,199
paranormal research I mean that's

1956
01:21:46,250 --> 01:21:43,080
basically why the society for psychical

1957
01:21:49,270 --> 01:21:46,260
research was formed and is still today

1958
01:21:51,950 --> 01:21:49,280
and it's really the the

1959
01:21:53,750 --> 01:21:51,960
Hallmark of how really investigations

1960
01:21:56,930 --> 01:21:53,760
should be done there's a lot of good

1961
01:21:58,550 --> 01:21:56,940
information in the SBR but yeah uh so

1962
01:22:00,649 --> 01:21:58,560
spiritualist movement was is very

1963
01:22:03,649 --> 01:22:00,659
fascinating you really learn about

1964
01:22:05,030 --> 01:22:03,659
uh if you break it down and study it you

1965
01:22:08,090 --> 01:22:05,040
can see how

1966
01:22:10,630 --> 01:22:08,100
how the fraud was kind of caused and

1967
01:22:13,189 --> 01:22:10,640
produced and how you know biased and

1968
01:22:15,709 --> 01:22:13,199
suggestibility and all of that played

1969
01:22:17,930 --> 01:22:15,719
into the whole situation so it's really

1970
01:22:19,510 --> 01:22:17,940
fascinating

1971
01:22:21,890 --> 01:22:19,520
yeah

1972
01:22:23,570 --> 01:22:21,900
on that I'm sorry go ahead go ahead

1973
01:22:26,810 --> 01:22:23,580
brother well I was going to ask about a

1974
01:22:29,750 --> 01:22:26,820
ports um which it kind of ties into that

1975
01:22:32,450 --> 01:22:29,760
a little bit but it's um and we had the

1976
01:22:34,970 --> 01:22:32,460
Navajo Rangers on the show uh a few

1977
01:22:37,550 --> 01:22:34,980
episodes yeah and they had shared a

1978
01:22:40,430 --> 01:22:37,560
story with us about aborts uh where they

1979
01:22:43,790 --> 01:22:40,440
had coins that were coming out of

1980
01:22:45,290 --> 01:22:43,800
just nowhere than falling on the ground

1981
01:22:46,130 --> 01:22:45,300
and they were like all heads up or

1982
01:22:48,229 --> 01:22:46,140
something I figured there was something

1983
01:22:50,750 --> 01:22:48,239
really unique about them

1984
01:22:52,750 --> 01:22:50,760
um and uh I was just curious if you've

1985
01:22:55,070 --> 01:22:52,760
you know heard similar kinds of

1986
01:22:57,649 --> 01:22:55,080
situations but not with coins but with

1987
01:22:59,750 --> 01:22:57,659
any you know objects yeah I've never had

1988
01:23:02,510 --> 01:22:59,760
anything personally for me but I've

1989
01:23:07,729 --> 01:23:02,520
talked with others that have experienced

1990
01:23:10,189 --> 01:23:07,739
uh coins or jewelry just appearing out

1991
01:23:12,110 --> 01:23:10,199
of nowhere and so it's it's you know

1992
01:23:14,930 --> 01:23:12,120
it's fascinating I don't I don't know if

1993
01:23:17,810 --> 01:23:14,940
there's a connection with portals there

1994
01:23:20,450 --> 01:23:17,820
um and and yeah though the whole

1995
01:23:22,010 --> 01:23:20,460
application process is uh pretty

1996
01:23:24,530 --> 01:23:22,020
intriguing but yeah I haven't had that

1997
01:23:25,550 --> 01:23:24,540
happen to me yet so yeah well as we

1998
01:23:27,410 --> 01:23:25,560
pointed out on the show if it does

1999
01:23:30,110 --> 01:23:27,420
happen make sure you collect it take it

2000
01:23:31,729 --> 01:23:30,120
to the coin laundry uh right yes they're

2001
01:23:34,430 --> 01:23:31,739
just doing you a favor as far as I can

2002
01:23:36,590 --> 01:23:34,440
tell you know yeah yeah also machines

2003
01:23:38,570 --> 01:23:36,600
that dispense water a lot of those water

2004
01:23:40,970 --> 01:23:38,580
machines you can put coins get you a

2005
01:23:43,370 --> 01:23:40,980
gallon so very valuable man I don't

2006
01:23:44,990 --> 01:23:43,380
think the Paranormal Rangers really took

2007
01:23:46,790 --> 01:23:45,000
stock of how awesome it was they were

2008
01:23:49,430 --> 01:23:46,800
getting all this change I agree you know

2009
01:23:52,070 --> 01:23:49,440
how much did they get it was a pretty

2010
01:23:53,510 --> 01:23:52,080
good man and he said it was still

2011
01:23:55,250 --> 01:23:53,520
happening to him which I thought was

2012
01:23:58,310 --> 01:23:55,260
interesting I haven't yet watch I'm

2013
01:23:59,510 --> 01:23:58,320
sorry it's on my cue list no no no it's

2014
01:24:02,330 --> 01:23:59,520
all good but yeah it was fascinating

2015
01:24:04,790 --> 01:24:02,340
that bags of it oh my gosh yeah they

2016
01:24:06,470 --> 01:24:04,800
collected evidence bags how many like I

2017
01:24:08,990 --> 01:24:06,480
don't know what the total was and it was

2018
01:24:11,450 --> 01:24:09,000
U.S coins or was it a different yes

2019
01:24:14,209 --> 01:24:11,460
quarters

2020
01:24:16,130 --> 01:24:14,219
yeah it I I it that that just freaks me

2021
01:24:18,169 --> 01:24:16,140
out because you can't there's no way to

2022
01:24:20,390 --> 01:24:18,179
really explain that but I'll but two

2023
01:24:22,070 --> 01:24:20,400
things two things I want to say one

2024
01:24:24,410 --> 01:24:22,080
thing is

2025
01:24:27,050 --> 01:24:24,420
um we def we want to have you come on in

2026
01:24:30,010 --> 01:24:27,060
and uh guest co-hosts with us for an

2027
01:24:32,810 --> 01:24:30,020
episode so I'll I'll coordinate with you

2028
01:24:35,030 --> 01:24:32,820
what type yeah what type of guest you

2029
01:24:37,189 --> 01:24:35,040
wanna you know that you want to uh

2030
01:24:38,750 --> 01:24:37,199
interview with us and if we get the

2031
01:24:41,149 --> 01:24:38,760
Paranormal Rangers on again we'll

2032
01:24:42,950 --> 01:24:41,159
definitely uh have you on because I was

2033
01:24:45,950 --> 01:24:42,960
messaging Jonathan

2034
01:24:47,930 --> 01:24:45,960
the other day the uh he's he's a little

2035
01:24:51,709 --> 01:24:47,940
bit more well-known because Stan is

2036
01:24:54,290 --> 01:24:51,719
still working but um uh Navajo gave me

2037
01:24:55,790 --> 01:24:54,300
some uh uh would you call those photos

2038
01:24:59,410 --> 01:24:55,800
of petroglyphs is that what you call

2039
01:25:02,930 --> 01:24:59,420
them oh yeah oh those are nice yeah yeah

2040
01:25:05,689 --> 01:25:02,940
and then there's a possible UAP in there

2041
01:25:07,370 --> 01:25:05,699
so basically I gave them to Jonathan to

2042
01:25:09,649 --> 01:25:07,380
say hey what's the origin of these

2043
01:25:11,810 --> 01:25:09,659
petroglyphs and he named the tribe and

2044
01:25:14,630 --> 01:25:11,820
so and around the time frame that they

2045
01:25:16,130 --> 01:25:14,640
would have been created so uh I got to

2046
01:25:18,169 --> 01:25:16,140
give this to a Navajo friend of mine

2047
01:25:20,530 --> 01:25:18,179
who's like hey what's this man I'm part

2048
01:25:23,270 --> 01:25:20,540
of the New Mexico navajos

2049
01:25:26,750 --> 01:25:23,280
so awesome wow

2050
01:25:28,729 --> 01:25:26,760
yeah so we'll we go we gonna get you on

2051
01:25:29,689 --> 01:25:28,739
again because you're awesome and I want

2052
01:25:32,630 --> 01:25:29,699
to hear about some of these

2053
01:25:35,209 --> 01:25:32,640
investigations uh so we we will get you

2054
01:25:37,669 --> 01:25:35,219
on again okay this was so much fun thank

2055
01:25:40,850 --> 01:25:37,679
you guys so much for this there's that

2056
01:25:42,530 --> 01:25:40,860
there's a camaraderie yeah you can feel

2057
01:25:44,390 --> 01:25:42,540
it when you go on shows whether you're a

2058
01:25:46,910 --> 01:25:44,400
guest or you're hosting So yeah thank

2059
01:25:49,310 --> 01:25:46,920
you so much I appreciate it thoughtful

2060
01:25:51,590 --> 01:25:49,320
questions all of it you guys are awesome

2061
01:25:52,790 --> 01:25:51,600
you're gonna get three goodbyes so this

2062
01:25:54,950 --> 01:25:52,800
is not the first one we've got to start

2063
01:25:57,830 --> 01:25:54,960
with Deb with camping by so go ahead

2064
01:25:59,629 --> 01:25:57,840
Debs yes thank you for coming and

2065
01:26:01,669 --> 01:25:59,639
talking to us all about um the

2066
01:26:04,310 --> 01:26:01,679
phenomenon and I just wanted to point

2067
01:26:06,410 --> 01:26:04,320
out that hopefully conversations like

2068
01:26:09,169 --> 01:26:06,420
this will take the para out of

2069
01:26:10,910 --> 01:26:09,179
paranormal and there you go and start to

2070
01:26:15,709 --> 01:26:10,920
recognize it's part of the human

2071
01:26:18,169 --> 01:26:15,719
condition thank you Amen to that if

2072
01:26:21,370 --> 01:26:18,179
there's a secret psychology handshake I

2073
01:26:21,380 --> 01:26:26,570
it's a mental one yeah exactly

2074
01:26:32,090 --> 01:26:30,410
oh my gosh that's so true I mean just to

2075
01:26:33,709 --> 01:26:32,100
Echo this I mean look there's something

2076
01:26:37,129 --> 01:26:33,719
uh

2077
01:26:39,229 --> 01:26:37,139
deeply meaningful about the work that

2078
01:26:41,570 --> 01:26:39,239
that you're doing

2079
01:26:43,370 --> 01:26:41,580
um and I think that it's it's not just

2080
01:26:48,110 --> 01:26:43,380
about

2081
01:26:49,729 --> 01:26:48,120
here and there and

2082
01:26:51,470 --> 01:26:49,739
um and the connection between the two

2083
01:26:55,790 --> 01:26:51,480
and we have such a poor relationship

2084
01:26:59,149 --> 01:26:55,800
with death in our culture that uh this

2085
01:27:03,050 --> 01:26:59,159
is a way of redeeming the the dignity in

2086
01:27:04,970 --> 01:27:03,060
death uh and uh so not only that is

2087
01:27:06,470 --> 01:27:04,980
important but just the the work that

2088
01:27:08,390 --> 01:27:06,480
you're doing generally is important and

2089
01:27:10,910 --> 01:27:08,400
I think uh there's many in our field

2090
01:27:13,070 --> 01:27:10,920
that can learn a thing many things from

2091
01:27:14,629 --> 01:27:13,080
from folks in your your field and so I'm

2092
01:27:22,370 --> 01:27:14,639
really grateful to have you with us and

2093
01:27:26,990 --> 01:27:24,110
approach this your viewpoints everything

2094
01:27:28,550 --> 01:27:27,000
just aligns so beautifully so thank you

2095
01:27:31,189 --> 01:27:28,560
for mentioning that that's that's very

2096
01:27:34,430 --> 01:27:31,199
important brings a smile to my face

2097
01:27:36,050 --> 01:27:34,440
here's your third cabbie goodbye because

2098
01:27:40,970 --> 01:27:36,060
sometimes we have six people on here so

2099
01:27:44,149 --> 01:27:40,980
you get six buzz but I love it but

2100
01:27:46,070 --> 01:27:44,159
um what I want to say is that um we

2101
01:27:48,530 --> 01:27:46,080
really appreciate what you're doing we

2102
01:27:50,090 --> 01:27:48,540
we Endeavor to try to bring the three

2103
01:27:52,189 --> 01:27:50,100
communities together the Bigfoot

2104
01:27:54,890 --> 01:27:52,199
Community the UFO community and the

2105
01:27:56,090 --> 01:27:54,900
Paranormal Community we see them all as

2106
01:27:57,890 --> 01:27:56,100
one

2107
01:28:00,950 --> 01:27:57,900
um you have such a beautiful bright

2108
01:28:03,470 --> 01:28:00,960
light about you uh and the way that you

2109
01:28:04,689 --> 01:28:03,480
you treat the topic

2110
01:28:07,129 --> 01:28:04,699
um

2111
01:28:09,430 --> 01:28:07,139
I'm gonna seriously start crying that

2112
01:28:12,169 --> 01:28:09,440
means so much like I said no we're not

2113
01:28:15,229 --> 01:28:12,179
I don't want to make you for clembo but

2114
01:28:17,270 --> 01:28:15,239
uh I do want you to tell people uh about

2115
01:28:19,310 --> 01:28:17,280
where they can find your work you have

2116
01:28:22,790 --> 01:28:19,320
six books out I believe at least six

2117
01:28:24,290 --> 01:28:22,800
maybe more uh plus uh the the radio show

2118
01:28:27,290 --> 01:28:24,300
and your podcast please tell everybody

2119
01:28:29,330 --> 01:28:27,300
about it yeah so you can find me so my

2120
01:28:31,550 --> 01:28:29,340
my regular website is author Nicole

2121
01:28:33,410 --> 01:28:31,560
strickland.com and then my team's

2122
01:28:35,629 --> 01:28:33,420
website is San Diego paranormal

2123
01:28:37,790 --> 01:28:35,639
research.com it is in need of a new

2124
01:28:41,149 --> 01:28:37,800
redesign I must say and then of course

2125
01:28:43,790 --> 01:28:41,159
on Facebook uh I have different pages so

2126
01:28:46,450 --> 01:28:43,800
Nicole D Strickland is my main one and

2127
01:28:49,790 --> 01:28:46,460
then I have uh author Nicole Strickland

2128
01:28:53,330 --> 01:28:49,800
afterlife Chronicles and then my teams

2129
01:28:55,610 --> 01:28:53,340
Facebook is the acronym so sdprs I'm on

2130
01:28:58,910 --> 01:28:55,620
Twitter of course sdprs Nicole Instagram

2131
01:29:01,729 --> 01:28:58,920
author Nicole Strickland and books that

2132
01:29:03,649 --> 01:29:01,739
you can find uh online pretty much all

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of the online retailers my Queen Mary

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books are also sold on board the Queen

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Mary the Queen Mary yeah on board the

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Queen Mary so that's pretty cool and

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then uh let's see my San Diego's most

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haunted is also sold in some stores in

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San Diego as well and then uh let's see

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oh uh podcasting so yeah so Todd Bates

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and I we co-host Hana voices radio it

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was on Tuesday nights it's now on Friday

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night so 8 Pacific 10 Central 11 Eastern

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and then my show the afterlife

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Chronicles it's on Hiatus same network

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uh it was on Thursday nights at 6 p.m

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I'm actually

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um on Hiatus still so I'll probably be

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restarting my show sometime in maybe May

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or June so yeah that's about it

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that that is awesome stuff we will have

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all your stuff in the show notes I'll be

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busy uh typing that all up into the show

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notes if you'd like to uh find Nicole uh

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you will see her back on here as both

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guests and as guest co-host oh that'd be

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so fun thank you so much for having me

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yes this was awesome

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thank you so much so for Nicole for

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Nathan for Debs this is DJ saying peace

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out one love we'll see you down the road

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and as always we're wondering what's up

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around the bend there you go I love it